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Hanged or hung
edit[1]--Mark Miller (talk) 08:13, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Then again...[2]]. So....lets discuss it and find a consensus unless others are able to demonstrate that the proper use is one way or the other.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:16, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- A Google search for "Hanged, drawn and quartered" produces 1,290,000 hits. One for "Hung, drawn and quartered" produces 202,000. I was easily able to find huge numbers of modern (many of them from 2013) uses of the word "hanged" in reference to execution of people, such as http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505714/Mother-hanged-murder-Iran-executes-13-crackdown-immoral-behaviour.html http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/08/palm-kernel-merchant-to-be-hanged-for-murder-of-girl-friend/ http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/corporate/about-us/by-rule-of-law/historical-snapshots/1880s-the-only-woman-hanged-for-murder-in-queensland. The tradition of distinguishing between "hung" for an object which is suspended and "hanged" for a person who is executed is, contrary to what you evidently believe, far from dead. As for the specific context of being followed by the words "drawn and quartered", the word "hanged" is still overwhelmingly the more common. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:36, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Did any of you actually read what I wrote and are any of you actually English?? Everyone I have asked today here in England, including English teachers, say it is hung. The sentence is NOT for a person to be hanged. Sentencing a person to be hanged is a death sentence by hanging, whether the person dies or not in this process is irrelevant, that is the intention. Take a look at the picture at the top of the article. The man is not hanging, he is hung up, like a coat on a hook. He has not been hanged, he is hung. The intention is not to kill the man by hanging. The intention is that the man is hung up so that the gruesome sentence is undertaken whilst he is still alive and in the displaying of the body by being hung up, (a coat is hung up NOT hanged up) the crowd can witness the sentence. http://www.trackerpress.com/reference/hanged-or-hung.php This link gives the correct English in modern day English; the meaning is the same as the antiquated 'hang-ed' (as was the pronunciation at the time), it is NOT the same as the modern use of the word hanged in every context. Well, I suppose you won't take my word for it, but I doubt a pub near Tower Bridge is going to be wrong.. http://hung-drawn-and-quartered.co.uk/Psyzzlewazzle (talk) 22:53, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Oh,yeah, I see what you mean. Nobody would become a pub landlord or owner if they weren't an expert in English usage, would they? So you must be right. 80.168.164.225 (talk) 16:38, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Trolls must live under the bridge, they are not privy to frequenting such fine establishments, hence their besmirchment is irrelevant. It's a site inextricably linked with the sentence, you'd have to be pretty foolish to get the grammar wrong. Still yet to have any confirmations of English contributors to this discussion. Trying not to think that it could be possible a particular nation could have bastardised the English language once again. Psyzzlewazzle (talk) 18:51, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=hanged+site:legislation.gov.uk good enough, or do I need to go and create a {{cite pub sign written by an illiterate landlord}} template to accommodate your edits to the project based on a pub in London ? In case you're wondering, this is someone in Britain, who speaks English, confirming you're wrong. Hanged, drawn and quartered is what appeared in legislation and hanged, drawn and quartered is what was removed when the death penalty was finally, fully abolished, in 1998. Nick (talk) 00:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
-Sorry but you're still missing the point.. that is the antiquated form of hung. That had this been the sentence now, hung would have been the correct word, hanged being only correct where that singular process is intended to cause death. Psyzzlewazzle (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- What makes you think I am not English? I am 100% sure I have never said anywhere on Wikipedia that I am not.
- Whether editors who comment are English is actually irrelevant, because Wikipedia goes on what reliable published sources say, not what editors say is their personal experience, and anyone anywhere in the world can equally well read what a source says.
- When I was searched for "hanged, drawn and quartered" on Google, and looked at a sample of the 1,290,000 hits, I found many of them were English sources. It is quite clear that in English sources, as in other sources, by far the commonest designation, from the fourteenth century to the 21st century, has always been "hanged, drawn and quartered". Wikipedia's style is to normally use the form of words which actually is most commonly used in English, not the form which somebody thinks logically ought to be used. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
-The CAMBRIDGE dictionary online lists bastardised as being spelt with a z. That's a zed, not a zee. What a fucking joke. Having a larger population doesn't mean you can alter the original language and claim it to be correct. No wonder any reputable university in England does not accept Wikipedia for research purposes. Psyzzlewazzle (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2013 (UTC)