PeroColera
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ItsNotmyname (talk) 14:45, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello PeroColera, thank you for taking intrest in this topic.
Please refrain from reverting content prior using the talk page for any of your doubts.
The group is stated as nationalist from multiple sources, including
on the protests page on wikipedia 2017 storming of Macedonian Parliament
and external sources
https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21721509-party-backed-russia-fears-losing-office-might-mean-jail-some-its
Thank you ItsNotmyname (talk) 17:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
The link between the attackers in the parliament and the actual group "Za Zaednicka Makedonija" has been established and no one is disputing that. That is why there is the reference about the group in the article in the first place. Trying to present the group like a non Nationalist, despite all the reports breaks the WP:NPOV and further reverts and deleting content could be considered WP:VANDAL.
Thank you ItsNotmyname (talk) 18:23, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
You mean like this: Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts. If different reliable sources make conflicting assertions about a matter, treat these assertions as opinions rather than facts, and do not present them as direct statements?? Presenting this clearly delineated organization as Nationalist by extrapolating a quote from a single (out of a total 6 citations) is a clear violation of the WP:NPOV policies. I would say that is a better candidate for WP:VANDAL. PeroColera (talk) 19:13, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
PeroColera the elections were democratic, and were recognized internationally as such, it is important information. I dont see how this would "hurt the neutrality". Why you insist so much on deleting this information? Please refrain from deleting information. Also read the wikipedia above mentioned policies and WP:VANDAL.
thank you
ItsNotmyname (talk) 21:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
ItsNotmyname We are not talking about the elections here, please read the thread before posting and do not cross post the same comment on multiple talk pages. This is a discussion about whether to include the "Nationalist" qualification in the description of "Za Zaednicka Makedonija". The above quote is DIRECTLY from the WP:NPOV policies, and the article you cite does not qualify the organization as nationalist, and it only offers an opinion on the protesters as a whole. This cannot be taken as factual evidence that the organization is nationalist (esp as none of the other articles even make that claim for the protesters), so it clearly violates the policy I have quoted above. I think this was sufficiently discussed and I expect you to delete the qualification. Here again you are pushing for spurious qualifications that disrupt the neutrality of the article. Any further such infractions, and I will be forced to report you. PeroColera (talk) 08:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I'm ItsNotmyname. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. As of your recent activity such as the ones to Igor Durlovski page, please consider using the talk page before reverting user contributions.
also read WP:TP ItsNotmyname (talk) 13:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)