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My apologises. Thank you for letting me know Oldsource (talk) 11:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Changing styles

Per MOS:VAR, MOS:RETAIN, and WP:ALBUMSTYLE, there are multiple acceptable styles for a track listing and if one already exists at an article, it should not be changed. Can you please undo this revision to restore the original style of the article? Thank you. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I understand your concern, but it seems like the difference in track listing style is not a significant issue here. As per the guidelines you mentioned, multiple acceptable styles are allowed, and if there's an existing style in the article, it should generally be retained. In this case, maintaining the current style shouldn't be a problem. If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to discuss them. Thank you! Oldsource (talk) 17:25, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

It's the other way around: the style that was already there should have been retained. Please revert this change. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your feedback. While I understand your concern about the track listing style, I would like to mention that in addition to making the style adjustment, I also added missing information to the article. However, it's worth noting that the difference in track listing style is not a major issue, and it can be accommodated without causing any significant disruption. If you have any specific suggestions or further concerns, please let me know, and we can discuss how to address them. Thank you for your understanding. Oldsource (talk) 19:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Per MOS:VAR and MOS:RETAIN, the existing style should be retained. Please revert yourself. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your perspective, and I understand your preference for retaining the existing style. I made those edits to clean up the article and address missing information. However, I won't be reverting the changes at this point, as I believe they improve the overall quality of the article. If you have any further concerns or specific suggestions, please feel free to discuss them, and we can work together to ensure the article meets the desired standards. Thank you for your understanding. Oldsource (talk) 23:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

This is not just a matter of my personal preference to retain existing styles. So to be clear, you agree that MOS:VAR and MOS:RETAIN say explicitly to not change existing styles, correct? And furthermore, you also agree that per WP:ALBUMSTYLE, it is perfectly legitimate to have plain lists or use {{track listing}} (or a table), correct? Do you agree with both of those statements? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:10, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your clarification, and I agree that both MOS:VAR and MOS:RETAIN recommend not changing existing styles when it comes to track listings. Additionally, I acknowledge that using plain lists or {{track listing}} (or a table) are legitimate approaches as per WP:ALBUMSTYLE.

I want to emphasize that my intention was not only to address the track listing style but also to add missing information, aiming to improve the overall quality of the article. While I understand your concern regarding style consistency, I believe the changes made were in the best interest of enhancing the article's completeness and clarity. If there are any specific issues or suggestions related to the content or style that you'd like to discuss further, please feel free to let me know. Thank you for your understanding. Oldsource (talk) 09:43, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

You did not add missing information, but you actually removed existing information. There is literally no new information in this revision and you took out songwriting information present in this revision. This does not in any way make the article more clear and actually makes it less so. Please revert yourself since you acknowledge that the MoS says that you should not have done this. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I apologize for any confusion. It appears there might have been a misunderstanding. I did add songwriting information during the revision, and it was not my intention to remove any existing information. However, I understand your concern about the track listing style.

That being said, I won't be reverting the changes at this point, as I believed they improved the article's completeness. If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to review the edits in detail. I won't be continuing this discussion, but if you have any other matters you'd like to discuss in the future, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thank you for your feedback. Oldsource (talk) 09:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

The changes have been reverted. Oldsource (talk) 10:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your collegiality and your patience in discussion. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Is there any way that you think we can collaborate to improve that article? On the talk page, there are several references in the {{refideas}} template that I have yet to add. If you think we can work together, please let me know. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Or for that matter Draft:Time Stopped? I'd like to help encourage you to continue making constructive edits here if I can. (Last time I'll post here in succession, sorry for all the messages.) ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I definitely plan on editing Draft:Time Stopped again. I've just been busy lately, so it's been hard to put time into a full article. Also, I'm open to hearing any feedback you might have n the process of editing it! Oldsource (talk) 10:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

As for the topic of In the End (album), I'm always open to helping out! Let me know if you'd like to discuss anything! Oldsource (talk) 10:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm glad we could be so cordial. Do you mind if I edit your draft article? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 11:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to! Oldsource (talk) 11:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Also, if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to hear some feedback on the current state of the article Oldsource (talk) 11:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)