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What is a dare to die corps?

Do you know the Chinese name for "Dare to Die Corps", and how exactly was it supposed to be different from normal army units? These corps were formed alot during the Xinhai Revolution, Beiyang civil war era and the war against Japan. According to this brief description they were suicide troops and expected to die, I can't see how that is supposed to be different from any other soldier. I need information to create a sandbox article.Rajmaan (talk) 08:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Basically, "Dare to Die Corps" is not a formal unit name. Typically, it refers to volunteers for certain dangerous military operations where the operations had a high (or even near certain) risk of death. You're right that they're not different than any other soldier fundamentally, except that (as is the case with most other militaries too) that volunteers would be often sought for these missions as opposed to simple orders. --Nlu (talk) 12:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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Ethnicity

Can you elaborate the specific ethnicities of the soldiers? I want to make sure I got it right. The English source describes a mixture of Han, Tibetans, and various Muslim nationalities.

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Rajmaan (talk) 11:53, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The article says that the army was made up of Hui, Han, Salar, Dongxiang, Bonan, and Tibetans, but more Hui (unclear from wording whether they meant majority or just plurality). --Nlu (talk) 15:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit notices

Hey Nlu, can you add the Three Kingdoms edit notice to the following articles: Army of the Western Garden, Cao Wei family trees, Shu Han family trees, Eastern Wu family trees, Zhang Yang (warlord), Sun Sheng, Jiang Ji, Du Ji, He Qia, Cui Lin, Wei Feng, Wang Guan (Cao Wei), Annals of the Later Han, Feng Xu, He Yan, Poetry of Cao Cao, and Wu Yi (Three Kingdoms)? Thank you. LDS _{contact me} 18:23, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for bringing them to my attention. --Nlu (talk) 20:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Category:People from North Rhine-Westphalia executed at Plötzensee Prison

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Shi Jingtang's ethnicity

I've been wondering, after reading some literature, on whether Shi is indeed a Shatuo, as it seems that there is lack of evidence. So I did a Google search and found this:

www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.shixing.org%2Fdispbbs.asp%3FBoardID%3D43%26ID%3D2372&ei=A6bAUYCTLcqzygGyzYDoCw&usg=AFQjCNGRI3pmtEsOo8iqWQk5t3yq7NTeBw&sig2=WGyKBfCrHUASkMA1b8P5YA&bvm=bv.47883778,d.aWc

It seems that at least it should be up for debate. Would like to see your expert opinion before I edit articles like Shatuo or Conquest Dynasties. Timmyshin (talk) 19:15, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, the fact that Shi Jingtang claimed a Han official as an ancestor does not preclude the general characterization of him as Shatuo. While we can't know for certain, I think the Shatuo characterization is so well-established that I would not characterize it as disputed or disputable unless actual scholarship (and I don't think this Web-based discussion is sufficient) disputing it in a credible manner. Not only that, but even according to Xue Juzheng's account, his ancestors were part of the Shatuo tribe for so long that, I mean, I really think they should be considered Shatuo even if originally Han. (Not to mention that this only accounts for male-line ancestry.) --Nlu (talk) 22:01, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

OK that makes sense. I think you're right, it's the cultural heritage that counts more than the ambiguous ancestry. Especially since the father does have an "ethnic" name. But, correct me if I'm wrong, to claim someone as Shatuo he has to be originally (including lineage) from Shanxi right? Also what happened to this ethnic group after the fall of Northern Han, the Shatuo page did not address that. Also, do you know whether Shi could read any Chinese? Thanks for your input as always. Timmyshin (talk) 22:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I would assume that Shi could read Chinese. Most relatively well-educated non-Han minorities living within Chinese borders could at least read some of it. (Li Siyuan was notable in that historical accounts explicitly said that he couldn't read.) And to be honest, I don't know what happened to them -- I would assume, as had usually been the case with minority ethnic groups in Chinese history, they blended into Han society. --Nlu (talk) 02:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

It should perhaps also be noted that the Shatuo "nobility" (Li Keyong and his family), while not avoiding referring to themselves as Shatuo, also considered (at least publicly) themselves as part of the Tang military elite, and didn't emphasize their non-Han nature. --Nlu (talk) 03:02, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

As to your point about being from Shanxi — well, that's complicated. Remember that the Shatuo were originally under the Tufan, and then fled Tufan rule to Tang territory before being settled in the Shanxi region. Shi's biography in the History of the Five Dynasties gave him as "of Taiyuan," which would fit. --Nlu (talk) 03:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Didn't many nomadic tribal leaders claim an important Han politician or military officer as their ancestor? [2][3] The Yenisei Kirghiz claimed descent from Li Ling. Maybe an article should be created called on the topic of non Han leaders claiming descent from Han officials, generals and the Yellow Emperor.Rajmaan (talk) 04:33, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I think an article on the subject would be interesting. I don't think I would be capable of writing one, but I would be glad to see you write one. --Nlu (talk) 03:22, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Luchuan–Pingmian campaigns

Luchuan–Pingmian campaigns and zh:麓川之役 have very different outcomes under the "result" in the conflict infobox. Which one is right?Rajmaan (talk) 02:08, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Without knowing that much myself about it, I suspect that both are kind of right and kind of wrong; Ming military victory, but fails to pacify the region for the long-term. --Nlu (talk) 02:14, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

How to translate this sentence to English?: "後梁太祖攻打青州王師範時，甚至把徵發來堆積攻城土山的民丁、牛驢一起掩埋在土山中"--113.168.183.45 (talk) 03:09, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Literally, I would render it as: "When Emperor Taizu of Later Liang attacked Wang Shifan of Qing Prefecture, he even buried, in the earthen mounds, the conscripted civilians and animals." However, I don't think a complete literal translation should be used given the fact that after a recent discussion, we changed the article titles to use personal names, and also, this seems to be too much detail for the scope of Wikipedia. --Nlu (talk) 03:21, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, --113.168.183.45 (talk) 03:37, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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I was afraid that you were gone. Still a lot of 5d10k biographies that need to be done :)

Because I had also been working on some biographies I might have edited out your writing. If so, no disrespect intended. Please let me know if you discovered something you object to, I know I can be quite biased at times and I admit my understanding is not as good as it should be (my background is in the health sciences) though I'm reading up on as much as I can. As far as editing, I'm pretty slow and I will also avoid "your" articles, but I'd been reading them. Cheers! Timmyshin (talk) 12:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

:-) Thanks. Life/work kind of has a way of coming in cycles. In this case, I had projects at work that were time-consuming, which kind of ate up my time and more so, energy. One of my trial cases, which had been going on for about three years, was set to go to trial last week, particular, before it somewhat unexpectedly settled. So that allowed my schedule to clear up a bit... --Nlu (talk) 14:25, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Move discussion

Wanted to let you know of my move proposal at Talk:Princess Fu. Figure you ought to made aware since you created all the pages. Feel free to object! Timmyshin (talk) 07:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll respond. --Nlu (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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Move discussion

Can you comment on Talk:Prime Tortoise of the Record Bureau? This title sounds very silly to me. Possibly some of the other Four Great Books of Song titles ought to be changed as well. Timmyshin (talk) 22:20, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

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