Nabukednezar03

January 2024

Please refrain from adding, removing or changing genres without providing a source or establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 17:13, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

This is not my point of view, it is historical reality. After this war, Mehmed enters Targovişte and appoints the man he wants to Wallachia. Everything aside, Ottoman sources put the number of the army between 29,000-34,000. There is obvious information about the army, but you reference exaggerated Romanian sources. Nabukednezar03 (talk) 17:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nabukednezar03

BORING, many times, brand new users came to Ottoman battle articles, and they always rewrite the numbers: making lower the Ottoman army and losses, and increasing the number and losses of the other party. + removing academic sources or keeping the sources but falsyfing the content which is not in the source

Jingiby, that is my experience... OrionNimrod (talk) 17:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Could it be that we lowered the numbers because you exaggerated the size of the Ottoman army? Sultan Mehmed went to Moldova with 30 thousand soldiers, or to Belgrade with 50 thousand soldiers. How could he go to Wallachia with 150 thousand soldiers. If you had a little knowledge of military history, you would have seen that the logistics of armies of 100 thousand at that time were not possible. The first time the Ottomans had an army of 100,000 men was during the reign of Selim II. Nabukednezar03 (talk) 17:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Look, my friend, I never write any information without referencing first-hand sources. In my understanding of historiography, history is written with reference to 1st hand sources. 2nd source information, I don't even accept it as true. This is Radloff's understanding of historiography. Nabukednezar03 (talk) 17:36, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

1. primary source

Nabukednezar03 (talk) 17:37, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 17:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

While the previous information used was biased Romanian sources, the information I used is primary source. You are the one who creates the real distortion. Nabukednezar03 (talk) 17:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but your recent edits appear to be intentional disruptions designed to illustrate a point. Edits designed for the deliberate purpose of drawing opposition, including making edits you do not agree with or enforcing a rule in a generally unpopular way, are highly disruptive and can lead to a block or ban. If you feel that a policy is problematic, the policy's talk page is the proper place to raise your concerns. If you simply disagree with someone's actions in an article, discuss it on the article talk page or, if direct discussion fails, through dispute resolution. If consensus strongly disagrees with you even after you have made proper efforts, then respect the consensus, rather than trying to sway it with disruptive tactics. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 17:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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Man, you guys are a joke. Anyway, I'm not going to make definitive judgments about people I don't know, so I'll refer to the information provided by Turkish and contemporary Byzantine historians as 'Turkish sources'. I hope you won't object to that either. If you object to this too, I will think that you have ulterior motives. Nabukednezar03 (talk) 17:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jingiby, Kansas Bear

As I said, a brand new user highly obsessed with Ottoman battles and fast rewrite all of them with the usually boring pattern: "Ottoman army was small and lost always few men and always won" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Siege_of_Svetigrad&diff=prev&oldid=1198694566 OrionNimrod (talk) 20:52, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Did he win with fewer men? Dude, seriously, what kind of history reading is this? I am writing the number of armies given by Turkish sources there. In writing a history, only the sources of one country are taken as reference. Can there be such hypocrisy? If you are a good reader of history, the first thing you should ask is, how could the Ottoman Empire take 80 thousand men to a mountainous region like Albania? How were they resupplied? After all, if the Ottomans could land 80 thousand men in a small state like Albania, why did they fight with 40 thousand men at Varna? You have really become unable to see the truth without reading one-sided history. Nabukednezar03 (talk) 20:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Let me give you an example to understand better. For example, if it was not blocked, I would write that the Serbian army at the Battle of Maritsa was between 20,000 and 25,000, not 70,000. Because at that time the Serbs could neither raise such an army, nor could they march the army to Edirne without any problems. I am against exaggerated sources not only from one side but from all sides. In fact, I am objective, but you are so biased that you think that the other person has a side too. Nabukednezar03 (talk) 21:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Look, I'll say it one last time for everyone on the page to understand. No army in the 15th century consisted of 200 thousand people. The first problem that will arise is the toilet problem. We know the numbers of the Ottoman armies in the sources. Because he took a census every time. Ottoman sources are like a sea. I am not accusing anyone of ignorance, I am just suggesting that you expand your reading Nabukednezar03 (talk) 21:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Finally, don't worry, I'm going to leave this editing job, because your problem is not learning history. History is just a masturbation tool for you. Anyway, go on with your stories about a thousand Europeans defeating a trillion Turks. We also have exaggerated numbers of some European armies on our pages, but at least we try to write all articles in 'realistic' terms as much as possible. Your headlines, on the other hand, are like comic books. Nabukednezar03 (talk) 21:11, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I am aware the medieval Turkish sources: all writes only the victorious battles and keep silent about the lost one. The sultan is God then enemy like Hunyadi is the Devil. For example they write Hungarian army was 200,000 at the battle of Mohacs and the victorious Ottoman just 100,000. It is quite unrealistic, considering Hungarian economy, avaliablet troops, population etc.. Modern Hungarian historians say it was about 25,000 and not 200,000 as medieval Ottoman sources say to increase the sultan's victory more. OrionNimrod (talk) 21:33, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, on the Turkish site it was written that the Hungarian army was 200 thousand. Well, I have a favor to ask you, can you check which user deleted that information :d? Or let me give you another example. Look at the 1456 siege of Belgrade. In the Turkish wikipedia, the outcome of the battle was 'uncertain'. I changed it to a 'Hungarian-Crusader' victory. Nabukednezar03 (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Siege of Belgrade (1456)#"Turks won the field battle"?

I see that joke here also the Ottomans won 1456 Belgrade... Ottoman empire had many great victories, I really do not know why for some users need to change even the lost one to victory, why? OrionNimrod (talk) 21:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Brother, my problem is not to minimize or elevate anyone's history. I'm trying to write it as it is. My aim is not to glorify the Ottomans, I'm just studying history, especially 'war history'. And I just want people to learn what happened, not to read fantasy. Nabukednezar03 (talk) 21:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024

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Reported

See here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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Battle of Ihtiman

-The Bulgarian Tsar was not killed in the battle but his son Michael Asen. -Ivan Alexander ruled Bulgaria from 1331 to 1371 and he died peacefully in Tarnovo. -The battle resulted in Bulgarian phyrric victory as the Ottomans could not reach Sofia, which was their main objective. -About the Ottoman advance in Balkans you are right but not even in the result of the battle. Slava History (talk) 19:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)