Mustangtmg
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Let's see if THIS works! edit
- I have proof beyond ANY shadow of a doubt that the A-36A Aircraft, made by North American Aviation (NAA) and designated "NA-97" by NAA, ALWAYS had the official name of "Mustang." Both NAA and USAAF officially named it "Mustang," by the way. I have scans of original documents provided by The Boeing Company Historical Archivist, Michael Lombardi, to support what I've been trying to communicate to Wikipedia. As an aside, I have been a warbird aficionado for decades and have published articles (all online, some of which are still available) on aviation-related subjects. I am also a General Aviation Private Pilot (although currently not flying).
I will "cut to the chase." I could NOT find out how to attach two scan that, as mentioned above, provide information from the most important PRIMARY sources. Each would support the "Mustang" name for the A-36A Aircraft by itself, but TOGETHER, no one can believe anything else other than what I have been trying to communicate.
Since I cannot find a "place" on this "Talk" thing to attach files, I will have to tell you what they are, and from whom they were originally created: First, I have a scan of a Telegram from Dutch Kindelberger, President of NAA to Col. Arthur I. Ennis, Chief of Public Relations, USAAF dated 13 Jul, 1942. Mr. Kindelberger is telling this USAAF Colonel that the name of any NAA aircraft of the P-51 type is to be called "Mustang." Mr. Lombardi provided this copy of the Telegram to me in April, 2019. This is irrefutable and documented by Boeing as being a historical artifact.
My second document, also from Mr. Lombardi on the same day, is a scan of the Front Cover of the Parts Catalog for the A-36A and it clearly says "A-36A Mustang" in large letters on the front. This too is documented by Boeing as being a historical artifact.
If there is a way to provide jpg files of these scans to Wikipedia, I shall be most happy to provide them.
I have two other documents, one is a book from the USAAF, circa 1944, that is a book about the USAAF all the way from personnel to armament to individual aircraft. I have two original copies of this book --- the first one is one that I literally "grew up" with in the 1950s. My father, a USAAF veteran of the 20th AF in WWII brought it home with him after the War. I went through it so many times growing up, that I caused it to lose its cover and some of the front and back pages. I found and purchased an original copy less than a year ago, and it is complete. Both have a section on aircraft naming and these aircraft: P-51, A-36 and F6 are ALL identified as "Mustang." An official document, which I have scans of 3 pages of, dated 1944 also, lists the P-51 and A-36 as "Mustang." I have contacted the National Archives recently, and they are working on finding the original pages and they hope to be able to provide copies made by THEM of this document on naming US military aircraft.
Now, as far as the wrong name for the A-36A (that is the only model made and 500 were made), "Apache," one can NOT actually document how or where or by whom the mistake was first made, but noted warbird authority, Joe Baugher, says that it might have originated as late as the 1980s! Mustangtmg (talk) 23:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- You don't attach files in talk pages like you do in discussion boards. Here is an example of an image on a talk page. - ZLEA T\C 18:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
North American A-36A edit
I noticed that you are making a big deal about how "Mustang" is the only name for the A-36. In reality, the aircraft had three official names, "Apache" (official USAAF name for the A-36), "Invader" (original USAAF name for the entire P-51 line), and "Mustang" (RAF name and later USAAF name). You site just one source when you claim that "Mustang" is the only name, but almost all other sources indicate that it had three names. - ZLEA T\C 01:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
August 2021 edit
Please do not move a page to a title that is harder to follow, or move it unilaterally against naming conventions or consensus, as you did to North American A-36 Apache. This includes making page moves while a discussion remains underway. We have some guidelines to help with deciding what title is best for a subject. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the test Wikipedia. Thank you. BilCat (talk) 20:09, 14 August 2021 (UTC)