Moonbrand

I have taken a chance and replaced the entire article with a new one. Apologies if this is against protocol. Howver I think you will find the new article accurate, up to date and with sufficient references to confirm all teh information

Moonbrand (talk) 11:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi. You have my (belated) response at Talk:Toc_H. I will spend some more time on the article in an attempt to improve it from an encyclopedic perspective, and would sincerely welcome your help. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 03:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

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Toc H

Hi. I'm looking for third-party sources for the article (and to educate myself) and have started working it over in a sandbox here. One of my aims will be make the article more accessible to the general reader by more logical sequencing and, if possible, shortening. Please don't see this as criticism of your own work, which is very skilful and worthy of retention. I hope you will see it as beneficial to your own purposes to have it cast in a more encyclopedic style which can draw in a greater variety of readers. You can always re-edit what's there, and/or discuss issues on the article's Talk page. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 17:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

A question. It says in an authoritative biography of Herbert Hayes that [In 1926] the Toc H leadership was appalled to learn that [Hayes] had taken part in an intercommunion service with Baptist members. This implies that the "interdenominational" character of Toc H was not yet fully in place. Do you know of any internal debate/conflict on this question,and whether there is relevant documentation? Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 03:18, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

There was an issue in 1926 where it was felt that Toc H's interdenominational stance was not extended to all the nonconformist faiths. This led to George MacLeod's resignation as a chaplain. The period is well documented in The Journal, Toc H's own newsletter, but that is of course a first party original source. This 'crisis' will be examined in the complete history of Toc H which is being compiled by myself and some others in time for the centenary in 2015. Moonbrand (talk) 06:58, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I would think (if it's publicly accessible) The Journal is an acceptable source on a historical issue, and is probably capable of being supplemented with outside sources. For instance here is a 1925 letter from P B Clayton (must be Tubby) to the Sydney Morning Herald in answer to a perceived clash with CEMS. Another (in 1931) deals with "intercommunion" issues. Anyway, there's no need for hurry, and your own future compilation sounds like being a handy source. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 14:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

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