Merovigla

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Removing links to articles that are unlikely to be made is an appropriate action, but if your are removing them simply to remove red, that is not correct. Edits you made, such as this one, should be fixed instead of delinking. Others, such as the ones for the Smith and Wesson firearms and calibers, may be debatable.

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Etymology of zeibekiko

The hypothesis that zeibekiko comes from zei + bekos has several problems. The word bekos (βεκος) is not a Greek word in Herodotus; he cites it as a Phrygian word; even if it were a Greek word, the modern pronunciation would be /vekos/ in Modern Greek, not /bekos/. Also, zei is not (as far as I know) a known inflected form of Zeus (and if it was, it would presumably be ζει and not ζεϊ, and thus be pronounced /zi/ in Modern Greek). So even accepting the idea of zei+bekos, we'd expect a modern form *zivek-, not zejbek-. I also don't see how Zeus-bread would come to mean a particular dance. And in any case, there is no WP:Reliable source (i.e. with expertise in etymology / philology / linguistics) claiming this etymology. --Macrakis (talk) 20:19, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

• No problem for this. It will be referenced as Phrygian (otherwise it is mentioned as Phrygian) and the zei → it means ζει(this is such a detail) → for the dance of the zeibekiko it is mentioned also, of course, that it was danced for worsiping God Zeus ,for asking bread and Im gonna sort out it,too.Dont forget that it is about an affair as referred.--Merovigla (talk) 20:29, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, that etymology is not supported by any serious philologist. Please review WP policy on WP:Reliable sources and WP:Original research. PS I don't understand what "Dont forget that it is about an affair as referred" means. --Macrakis (talk) 20:47, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

It means it is by itself a WP:Reliable sources thing that it could be a source for Greek mythology. It wont hurt at all,if would be referenced as parenthesis. Its a reliable google book, expert in Greek ancient dances, talking just about a cross view of ancient time --Merovigla (talk) 20:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't think you've understood the WP:Reliable sources policy. We have far better sources for the etymology of the word; a far-fetched theory with major internal problems published in a small dance journal doesn't suffice to contradict them. And the topic is not Greek mythology, but etymology. --Macrakis (talk) 02:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Articles are free for expanting not even for the etymology and Byzantine dictionary is much better--Merovigla (talk) 09:33, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Re "articles are free for expanding" -- yes, but following Wikipedia policies. As for the Byzantine dictionary, are you saying it gives an etymology for "zeibekiko"? -- or just 'bekos'? If the latter, that's not good evidence for the etymology of 'zeibekiko'. --Macrakis (talk) 13:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Zeibek

In this edit, you added the claim that "Zeibeks...were Greek immigrants who had lost their Greek nationality upon leaving Greece", footnoting this article. Did you even read the article? It is about a woman named Zeybek who is an ethnic Turk who lost her Greek citizenship. Nothing to do with the Zeybeks. Please be more careful. --Macrakis (talk) 23:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Please read more carefully. The cited source mentions the Zeibek case, i.e. Zeibek v. Greece. Here is the decision in that case; Greek translation. A family of Greek citizens of Muslim religion named Zeibek was deprived of Greek citizenship. Nothing to do with the Zeibeks. --Macrakis (talk) 14:15, 24 August 2011 (UTC)