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Blackbeard's Cave

Please consult WP:MOS. The changes I have made are all in line with that. The reversion you have made is not. I will, if you persist in reverting, nominate the article for deletion forthwith. You are nwe here (and possibly using wikipedia only to promote a venue you are associated with - I speculate). It does not become you to seek to have things your own way; rather you should accede to consensus worked out over many years. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Ok, I just read your message. I am new and I mean no disrespect here, however to just modify my page without asking me for input first is kind of rude and I would appreciate some say in it as I am the one who put the work in to get this started. Now please don't take this as an insult, I will say again this is with all due respect and I will comply with the guidelines of Wikipedia, but that means "I will comply" it doesnt mean someone else sould take it upon themself to alter my page. I could use some help here, feel free to email me at maikido@optonline.net

By the way you were wrong about the venue, I work at a charitable Hospital.Maikido "Mike"

I see the page has now been deleted, under speedy deletion criteria G11 - Blatant advertising.

There is no concept of "my page" on wikipedia. All article pages can be edited by anyone. You should note the sentence at the bottom of the edit screen saying "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it". --Tagishsimon (talk)

I also see that Wikipedia has advertised 6 Flags Great Adventure, is that a profit thing? See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_adventure I wonder how the media would take to this? Did you delete my article because it failed to meet your specs or because of my reply? How about helping people before you delete their work first?

I had no hand in deleting your article. (User:Bielle nominated it for speedy deletion, and User:Spike Wilbury deleted it.) Instead, if you remember, I was the one who tried to help you by formatting the article correctly. I'm not sure whether or not I agree with its deletion, though to the extent that your truculent attitude is pissing me off, I'm not unhappy that it has been deleted. Six Flags Great Adventure looks like a notable venue. No such claim for notability was attached to Blackbeard's Cave. See Wikipedia:Notability. I wonder how the media would take to this?. They'd yawn and come to the conclusion that you do not know much about wikipedia, and are grinding an axe. There's a white space below, suitable in size for an apology. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Please forgive me for thinking you deleted my article. I'm still insulted that Wikipedia would allow my article to get deleted without first giving me time to read everything you sent to me so that I could bring the page up to par according to Wiki standards. By the way I was going to modify the page, honestly, but I wasn't afforded enough time to do it... as I was working on it POOF, the page was gone so now I feel that the users Bielle and Spike Wilbury owe me an apology in the space below here, as they did nothing whatsoever to help me, they just whiped me out.

As for the notability of Great Adventure well they have a fare share of Gang activity and I understand they have local and State Police posted there, whereas Blackbead's Cave is a Family place with a strong Customer Focus and I was just stunned that they didn't already have an article in here. You were right, I am not well versed on Wikipedia, however please put yourself in my shoes... As I said, I work in a charitable Hospital, I'm no computer wizard, and it was never my intention to insult you, in fact I said "with respect" clearly, and more than once.

So now I guess the question is what's next? Is everything I put on here gone for good?

First, I hope that everything you put on wikipedia will not instantly be wiped. I do think there is a problem with the speedy deletion, which is that things can happen too speedily for a person such as you (or me, or anyone) to react to stop the deletion. Without going into too much depth, a speedy deletion can be prevented, but not after it has been deleted. I have alerted User:Spike Wilbury and hope he will enter the debate. I note that his action was in good faith and entirey in line with wikipedia policy; ditto User Bielle's.

Second, if the article is to come back, then one or two things will happen or need to happen. You should seek to improve the article to make at least some claim to notability; or else expect the article to be taken through the article for deletion process, which enables users to reach consensus (sort of like a vote, but not quite).

Third, Six Flags Great Adventure has, according to the Guinness Book of World Records, more rides than any other theme park in the world, with 72 rides as of 2006. That is its claim to notability. I'm not sure if Blackbeard's Cave compares with that, nor what would be considered a suitably notable feature of the venue. Sadly this notability thing is an inexact science. On a good day, I would have voted to keep your article, but I recognise it is borderline.

Umm. I really should be working right now. Hope that goes some way to providing a context for what's been going on. You can, I think, pursue undeletion, or else you can recreate the article. (If so, you might want to comment on the talk page of the article that this is a second creation and that you'd prefer the article to be put through AFD than Speedy. Come back with more questions. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Thanks for the reply and for the advice, I truly appreciate it. I don't want to beat this 6 Flags thing anymore however I live 30 minutes from there and I know the Director of Security personally; they have some serious concerns. The Gang issue in New Jersey is getting worse and worse, they are like domestic terrorists whereas you take one cell into custody and three more arise. Don't take my word for it, see for yourself. There are tons of sights and news articles reflecting these issues, that's exactly why they have NJ State Police and Jackson Twp. Police posted on 6 Flags property. Ask them how many weapons arrests and or confiscations they have per year... Yes it's a wonderful experiance to visit there however is it as nice of a place as others? No, it's just more commercial. I have to go to work now so I will have to catch up on this later, but thank you again! Have a wonderful day

The gang issue does not really have much relevance to the question of whether 6 Flags should or should not have an article. But I think we agree 6 Flags is a red herring; the question is whether you can make the Blackbeard's Cave article stick. Good luck. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Hi Maikido! Tagishsimon did an excellent job summarizing what happened, so I don't have much to add to the explanation. A user tagged your article for speedy deletion because it didn't explain how Blackbeard's Cave is notable - without that explanation, it is simply an advertisement. Since this is an encyclopedia, each article needs to assert why its subject should be here. I have copied the contents of your article to User:Maikido/Sandbox so you can work on it if you wish, and then recreate it at Blackbeard's Cave when you are ready. As Tagishsimon suggested, you should review Wikipedia:Notability. For example, an amusement park might obtain notability by having articles written about it in multiple independent news sources. State that in the article and back it up with citations (see also Wikipedia:Citing sources). Then we'll have ourselves an article! Let me know if you have any questions. --Spike Wilbury 18:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)