MOTSjerusalem

August 2023

Hello, MOTSjerusalem. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. JBW (talk) 15:34, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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Thank you for your note, but I am writing from the Museum, meaning I have the right information about it.

At the moment, a lot of the information is either wrong or irrelevant to the Museum on the Seam. MOTSjerusalem (talk) 15:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

You can see that my email, that I have confirmed is the email of the museum https://www.mots.org.il/contact

I can also confirm any other email address listed on this webpage.

How else can I prove to you that I am actually from the museum os the seam's staff? 192.116.220.250 (talk) 16:00, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Because we have a policy against usernames which give the impression that the account represents a group, club, organization, company, or website, I have blocked this account from editing. You are welcome to continue editing after you have chosen a new username that complies with Wikipedia's username policy.

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Thank you. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

You can see that my email, that I have confirmed is the email of the museum https://www.mots.org.il/contact

I can also confirm any other email address listed on this webpage.

How else can I prove to you that I am actually from the museum os the seam's staff? 192.116.220.250 (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

You are misunderstanding the problem; please read my message again.

As soon as you have requested a username change or created a new account, you may request changes by clicking "request corrections or suggest content" in the orange box at the top of Talk:Museum on the Seam. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't think anyone doubts that you are on the museum's staff. In fact that is to a large extent the problem; Wikipedia does not seek to give the coverage to a business or organisation which its owners or employees wish for: that is for your own website to do. Wikipedia's aim is to show what independent, third-party sources say about a subject. You may be right in saying that some of the information in the article is wrong, but it is also clear that a significant aim of your editing is making the article read more favourably to the museum. JBW (talk) 17:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Now the page is completely blocked from editing, and there is flase information there. What can I do? 192.116.220.250 (talk) 07:20, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Now the page is completely blocked from editing, and there is flase information there. What can I do? 192.116.220.250 (talk) 07:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

You can say what information is wrong, explain why, and ask for an independent, neutral editor to review the situation and decide whether your suggested changes should be made or not. Note, however that "wrong" doesn't mean "perfectly true, but which the people who run the museum don't wish to be publicly known". Also please edit logged into your account; switching between editing logged in and logged out is likely to cause confusion as to whether you are the same person or not. Also, if your account is blocked from editing then evading the block by editing without using that account is not allowed. JBW (talk) 12:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

What JBW said, just with one exception – this specific block here, a rare occurrence among users' blocks, is meant to be evaded by ideally creating a new account; the block notice provides all the necessary links for either creating an account or requesting a username change. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:21, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, ToBeFree is absolutely right. Usually evading a block is not permitted, but in this case it is. Thank you, ToBeFree, for pointing out my mistake. Even so, MOTSjerusalem, I would advise you that it's probably better to use an account to edit, though you don't have to. JBW (talk) 19:25, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

I have created a new account on my name and my personal email, and the page was still blocked from editing. I have also tried from another account of a friend, and the same thing happened.

Many parts under "history of the building" are either wrong or irrelevant to a page of a contemporary art museum. Therefore I wanted to change it simply to:

History of the building

The building was built by the architect Andoni Baramki in 1932, on a property owned by the Turjman family.

In 1948 it was turned into an Israeli military outpost, called the "Turjman Post" situated on the border between Israel and Jordan, overlooking the Mandelbaum Gate, which served as the only passage between the two parts of the divided city at the time.

In 1981 it was renovated as a history museum commemorating the unification of Jerusalem.

In 1999 the museum underwent change and a new permanent exhibition, calling for peace, tolerance, dialogue, understanding and coexistence, was displayed.

Since 2005, the building serves as a home to the Museum on the Seam - a socio-political contemporary art museum dedicated to dialogue, equality and human rights. 192.116.220.250 (talk) 08:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• You seem to have failed to fully grasp some of the points mentioned above.

1. Yes, certainly the article is "still blocked from editing"; the whole point of the block was to stop you from continuing in the same way, and doing the same thing from another account would not somehow make it more acceptable.
2. Please re-read the message above timed at 15:34, 22 August 2023, and comply with the requirements mentioned there; likewise with the message timed at 15:35, 22 August 2023. Again, the requirement to follow Wikipedia policies and guidelines doesn't somehow disappear because you are using a different account.
3. Don't edit using a friend's account. Wikipedia policy requires an account to be for an individual editor, and does not permit sharing of accounts.

• You say that some of the information that you would like to have removed is "either wrong or irrelevant to a page of a contemporary art museum", but you neither say which parts are wrong and which are irrelevant, nor give any reason why they are wrong or irrelevant. If you would like an independent editor to make a review of whether the changes should be made then you need to provide that editor with the necessary information to enable them to assess whether they should be made. Nobody is going to make the changes just on the basis of your unsubstantiated say so; if that were the case then there would be no reason not to let you make the changes yourself.
• I can see a case for thinking that the history of the building, and how it came to be possessed by the museum, is, as you say, "irrelevant to a page of a contemporary art museum", but in that case I don't see why you wish to retain "In 1948 it was turned into an Israeli military outpost". Why is that more relevant than, say, "all efforts by Andoni and his son Gabi Baramki, longtime President of Birzeit University in the West Bank, to return to and repossess the family home through recourse in Israeli courts, failed"? If you can give a cogent reason for regarding one as irrelevant and the other as relevant then I will be willing to consider whether to make the changes you suggest, but at present it is difficult to avoid the impression that the difference is that you wish to remove the parts which are likely to be seen as unfavourable to your image. That is precisely the kind of reason why the conflict of interest guideline exists.
• What is the username of the other account you have created? JBW (talk) 19:40, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you JBW.

  I have read all of your messages, I am not trying to edit the page for purposes of advertising, publicising, or promoting anything or anyone.

  This is my email used for my personal account: m.shahar.m (at Gmail) , I don't remember the username.

  I personally know the Baramki family, and some of the information is wrong. For exapmle, "after a stray bullet almost killed the architect's wife while she was sitting in her living room", or "Gabi Baramki was allowed only one visit in 1999".

  Because the building serves as an art museum for over 20 years now, the Wikipedia page should be focused on its current story, with a short reference to its history, since 1932. Therefore I have asked to shorten the paragraphs under "History of the Building".

  I believe there should be a seperate Wikipedia page on the history of the Baramki House / Turjeman Post, and that people who read the short history of the building on the Museum on the Seam's page, could click on the hyperlinks, in order to receive more information about them.

  I edit the Wikipedia page of the Museum on the Seam every few months, in order to add our new exhibitions under the "Exhibitions" section. Now that we have some new exhibitions at the museum, I cannot edit and add them.

  Thanks and best,

  Shahar 192.116.220.250 (talk) 10:18, 28 September 2023 (UTC)