User talk:Lithistman/Archives/2010/July

El Tri disambiguation page

Hi.

I`m sorry to bring this to your talk page but i couldn`t know if you were watching the page.

First of all, the "Unknown" band has released 43 albums in the 44 years since its conception, is one of the pioneers of Mexican and Latin rock, the most important one and has a living legend status in several countries in Latin-America specially Mexico and Peru but also in the US.

Sorry about the fanboy rant, my point is that "El tri" is only a nickname, is not relevant, while the name of the band is legit, is the name of the Band, in encyclopedic terms isn`t more important a name than a nickname.

I`ll wait a couple of days for your answer then i`ll change the redirect again, if you disagree with me, please let me know so we can ask someone else for a tie-breaker (Unless a guideline exist of course).

Thanks. Zidane tribal (talk) 02:18, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

• If the band is truly more notable than the national team (which I find highly doubtful), then why are nearly every one of their albums red links? The nickname for the national team is what most people would be searching for if they type in "El Tri", so that's where the redirect should go, unless it's turned into a disambiguation page. Lithistman (talk) 02:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

About the red links, that is something that i intent to fix soon, but you do have a point, i look it up and the team page has a lot more visits, like 3 more zeros, i`m not saying that the band is more important, just that the nickname of the team is not as important as the name of the band. A disambiguation page would, i think, be appropriate. Zidane tribal (talk) 03:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

What I think would work better is to put a "see also" at the top of the National Team page, but if you want to put a disambig at the redirect page I could support that as well. Lithistman (talk) 03:18, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you are right. I`ll do that; put the see also. Thank you for your time. Zidane tribal (talk) 03:30, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I have restored the page El Tri to its original location for now, since it was moved without discussion and since there is evidently some controversy and more importantly since all incoming links are still to the band. (Moving without discussion is not a problem, but when dispute arises, discussion must follow.)

If you believe that the primacy of the football team is so great that the hatnote that has been at the top of the article El Tri since 2006 is insufficient, you may want to achieve consensus for the move at the article's talk page. If consensus is achieved, please be sure to follow the directions at Wikipedia:MOVE#How to move a page. Physically moving the page is only the first step; you are also required to redirect all incoming links to that title to its new location. Moving the page without following through breaks the wikilinks and may particularly cause confusion when, as with this case, the new target for the article offers no information to readers on how to find the one they are expecting. Also, doing so without leaving a hatnote at the new target for the disambiguation page isn't really a good idea. Google search shows that the band has plenty of hits - 7 out of the first 10 results at this point are for the band, not the team - and readers looking for the band need to know where and how to find it if they land unexpectedly at the team's page. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

• It seems that the only two people who had been discussing the issue both had agreed above to have "El Tri" redirect to the National Team article, with a note at the top of the National Team article pointing out that there is also a band by that name. Lithistman (talk) 13:19, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

• You can discuss the matter at the article's talk page and see if any other interested contributors agree. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:29, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I added the link at the top of the Football team article, el tri now redirects to the band, i hope consensus has been achieved, if the redirect return to the team, i`m fine with that, specially if the band is moved to El Tri (Band). Thanks. Zidane tribal (talk) 17:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

If there is now consensus for the move, the band article can be returned to El Tri (band). In that case, whoever moves the article will need to follow through by making sure that the articles in Special:WhatLinksHere/El Tri point to the appropriate title and that the hatnote now at the top of Mexico national football team points to the new location for the band. El Tri isn't so unknown that we want to make them difficult to locate, as they were before. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)