Lauraacusterwhite

I propose the following major edits to the Tongva article:

1. Under “Tongva,” 3rd paragraph, penultimate sentence: “The US government signed treaties with the Tongva, promising 8.5 million acres of land for reservations….” That’s simply not true. Regarding ref 5, California Senate Bill 1134, SECTION 2, (g) says “The Gabrielino-Tongva Tribe signed Treaty D with federal Indian Commissioner George Barbour in 1851.” Treaty D, which was titled “Treaty with the Castake, Texon, etc., 1851” and set aside 8.5 million acres of land for Indian reservations, was signed (with an “X”) by the chiefs and elders of 11 tribes, none of whom were members of a “Gabrieleno-Tongva tribe.” The senate got it wrong: the writer is mistaken. https://scvhistory.com/scvhistory/heizer1972.htm

2. Under “Contemporary Tribe,” second sentence: “In 1994, the state of California recognized the Gabrieleno-Tongva Tribe…” That’s simply not true. Regarding ref 31, California Senate Bill 1134, under “Legislative Counsel’s Digest,” 5th sentence: “California law…does not have a formal system of recognizing state Indian tribes.” California has not established a formal process for state recognition of Indian tribes. The writer is mistaken http://www.ncsl.org/research/state-tribal-institute/list-of-federal-and-state-recognized-tribes.aspx However, the Los Angeles City/County Native American Indian Commission has a system for recognizing tribes, and it recognizes three — the Ventureno, Gabrieleno, and Fernandeno, i.e., Gabrieleno is a tribe, but Gabrieleno-Tongva is not.

Finally, about “Notable Tongva,” why not add “Notable Gabrieleno,” because “the Tongva are also known as the Gabrieleno”? (See Tongva, 1st paragraph, 3rd sentence.) I propose adding the following:

Notable Gabrieleno • Nicolas Jose, a man of great power and control as well as a good leader, he was the first alcalde of the San Gabriel Mission. Unfortunately, he organized the Toypurina rebellion (1785); as a result he was banished to the San Francisco Presidio for six years. http://faculty.humanities.uci.edu/tcthorne/notablecaliforniaindians/nicolasjose.htm • Ernest Perez, Teutimez, Salas, chief and spiritual leader of the Gabrielenos and great great great grandson of Nicolas Jose.http://gabrielenoindians.org/ • Andrew Perez, son of Chief Ernest and Tribal Chairman of the Gabrielenos.http://gabrielenoindians.org/

Thanks for your patienceLauraacusterwhite (talk) 23:10, 22 May 2019 (UTC)Lauraacusterwhite (talk) 04:58, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Please stop

Laura aka Harry aka ????:

I have no idea if the Tongva article needs changing or not, but you cannot succeed by simply pretending to be different people. If you're dishonest about that, then the odds are good you'd be dishonest about the underlying content dispute, and no one will bother to read it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Harry is my husband. He made some serious mistakes and I told him so, but I am my own person. Please study my proposal and consider whether or not it has any merit, as far as improving the article goes. Or else what is the point of being a "Wikipedian"? Thank you.Lauraacusterwhite (talk) 18:17, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Facts are importantLauraacusterwhite (talk) 20:26, 24 May 2019 (UTC)