User talk:Kl462/CornellConcertCommission

Topic

Why should this be a Wikipedia article?
Cornell Concert Commission is one of the largest and most prominent student organizations on the Cornell University Campus, with membership in the hundreds. The organization is responsible for the entire production, from concept to execution, of concerts attended by 1,200 to 5,000 students 4-7 times per academic year.

Article Sections

What sections are you planning to write? How do you make sure the article is comprehensive and feasible within the time frame and resources you have?

Introduction

I. Club Background

II. Purpose

Club Structure and Functions

I. Membership

II. Executive Board

III. Execution (selections to post mort)

a. Crews

See Also

I. Full listing of past shows (link)

II. List of Cornell Student Organizations

Other Article Elements

What other elements are you going to put in the article - side box, images, etc.? Where are you going to obtain the images or information for the side box?

• We plan on putting a side box with basic club information, such as name, date founded, and location.
• We will include the club's logo, pulled from the CCC website.

References

Initial list of 5 different sources for your article (e.g., not all from the same website)

• http://www.cornell-concert.com/
  
• http://blog.syracuse.com/entertainment/2012/05/grateful_dead_concert_at_corne.html
  
• Wikimedia Transcript of Interview with 2011/2012 Cornell Concert Commission Director Dave Rodriguez
  
• https://sao.cornell.edu/SO/org/12-13/157
  
• Cornell Daily Sun (http://cornellsun.com/)
  Lms353 (talk) 22:08, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

See my comments below on yours sources - they have to be from different places, cannot be mostly from Cornell, because this seems promotional. LeshedInstructor (talk) 19:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Situating the article within the Wikipedia community

What other articles does it link to/from? Is it part of a WikiProject? Are there specific individuals in Wikipedia you will seek help from on this article?
Our article will link to and from these articles:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_University (link to/from)
  
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cornell_University_student_groups (link to/from)
  
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Hall (link to/from)
  
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey_Hall_(Ithaca,_New_York) (link to)
  
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cornell_Daily_Sun (link to)
  

This project is not part of a WikiProject
No specific people on Wikipedia we are seeking help from (all information is openly attainable to us).

There is a Cornell University WikiProject. Be sure to visit there and see if you can get the editors who are members in this project to be interested in helping you out with your article. LeshedInstructor (talk) 19:38, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Additional Resources

Additional sources found to increase notability:

• http://www.ivygateblog.com/2010/02/cornell-police-prepare-to-go-berserk-on-visiting-deadheads/#more-8145
• http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/04/09/arts/music/20090410-dead-shows-vote.html
• http://www.ivygateblog.com/2012/08/breaking-avicii-to-play-cornell-homecoming/
• http://musiccourtblog.com/2010/02/16/furthur-barton-hall-cornell-university-concert-review-and-set-list/
• http://theithacan.org/14906
• http://www.deadheadland.com/2010/02/furthur-february-14-2010-barton-hall-cornell-university-live-setlist/
• http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/arts/music/12ratl.html?pagewanted=all
• http://www.cornellsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Concert-Commission-Fall-2011-Clean.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kl462 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Division of labor

What will each group member do?
A tentative schedule:

• We will write the introduction together.
• Molly will write the club structure and function sections.
• Lauren will write the History section
• Kevin will write the past shows section and create an infobox; manage markup language and ensure structure fits within Wikipedia standards.

You also need to make sure members know how to use the Wiki markup language to avoid Bare URLs, correctly link to other pages, etc. In general your formatting in your proposal already shows that you have the capability of getting on top of this. Good job! LeshedInstructor (talk) 19:38, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Tasks to be Completed

• Collaborate to write content sections
• Respond to critiques
  • Answer question of notability and provide better references
• Ask Wikipedians for help

Instructor's Feedback

Clearly, you have thought through the structure and content of the article - well done about this! One thing that worries me is that this article might seem as not notable. In other words, by mostly referring to sources that are within Cornell - the Cornell Daily Sun, the Cornell Student Organizations page, the CCC website, you are in a position where other Wikipedians might decide that this article is promotional. Why should the world care about this student organization? How is the article here contributing to encyclopedic knowledge? This is something you need to more strongly justify - not to me but to the Wikipedia community.

Additional specific comments appear in the sections above. Good luck! LeshedInstructor (talk) 19:35, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Observer 1 Feedback

This looks good so far. You can include pictures that any you took at past shows, as well as pictures of Barton and Bailey Halls that may exist on Wikimedia already (alternatively, you can go take some pictures and upload them). Also, this link may be of some use: A Day in the Life: Cornell Concert Commission, Lupe Fiasco. D4n2elle (talk) 22:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you for your feed back, and especially for the link. It's a great visual representation of information we are trying to include in our article.--Lms353 (talk) 19:32, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Observer 2 Feedback

First of all, I consider pictures to be very valuable for Wikipedia articles. I would consider adding a picture of Barton Hall because that is where most of the concerts take place. Also, I would look up Wikipedia's policy of using interviews and if it is favorable, maybe record an interview with Joseph Scaffido (CCC Moderator) and make the transcript available online. He has been the moderator for many years and knows more about Concert Commission than anyone else I can think of (I'm heavily involved in CCC myself). Lastly, in order to vary the sources you use, maybe you can get some info about certain shows from the artists' websites in the past tours section instead of a Cornell Daily Sun article. JawS001313 (talk) 05:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback! It was greatly appreciated. --Lms353 (talk) 19:46, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Observer 3 Feedback

I truly like the angle you're taking, but you should definitely consider the comment of your online ambassador. In order to improve the quality of this Wikipedia article, you should up the level of notability. One way in which you can do this is to get references from people who have been the heads of Cornell Concert Commission in the past. I know of a former student, who happens to be a good friend, named Harris Nord, who I believe was the President of the club last year. Speaking with somebody like that, and finding out more information, might help is giving your article more notability. Furthermore, you might all want to talk about how to go about getting involved in Cornell Concert Commission, and the ways in which the student body does or does not participate in who comes to the Cornell campus. Jack Newton (talk) 01:40 AM, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• We have acknowledged that notability may be a problem with our article. In response to Harris Nord, we would love to chat with him but since he is a former Cornell student and isolated to the Cornell community, it would not help our notability. We have however found a multitude sources outside of Cornell including NY Times articles to increase notability. Thanks for your feedback. Kl462 (talk) 00:06, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

OA Feedback: Notability issue

Hi, I am your online ambassador. I think your article may suffer from poor notability. A 100 member student club needs coverage in reliable sources to be encyclopedic. The sources you list in #References above are not good enough; if you published the article using only those sources, it would be deleted shortly afterward. You need more references to independent and reliable (not self-published) sources. See WP:RS for what makes a source reliable, and feel free to ask me any questions. To ensure my prompt reply, please ping me on my talk page if you post something here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 20:12, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

• We have attempted to address any notability with additional resources. We feel that these sources are sufficient to justify its notability. Please provide further feedback if they are not. Kl462 (talk) 00:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I suggest you ask for a review from Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 18:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
    • Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cornell Concert Commission.--GrapedApe (talk) 12:21, 2 November 2012 (UTC)