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Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions, such as your edit to the page Clarinet choir, seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes. Wikipedia does not allow advertising. For more information on this, see:

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I appologize for misunderstanding the spaming rule. I saw a lot of other links on other articles/posts, so I assumed it was considered useful information. When I added the link, my intent was to offer free mp3 downloads from our web site and also links to video recordings for peoples use. I assume it is also considered spaming if I mention in the text that mp3 and videos are available, is that correct? I will not include the mention of these services/features in the text. ken Kkkkkmusic (talk) 02:53, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I see that you are a new editor and were not aware of the rules. I'm sorry that it had to go as far as a last warning before the message was understood. Perhaps the reason was that I did think to make make myself personally available for questions and clarifications. External links in general should be avoided, except in the case of the "External links" section, and then only according to the guidelines. Yes, they are quite prevalent in some articles, and editors toil at removing them. If you see them on another page either remove them yourself, or let me know. The main (but not only) reason for this is that they are usually used for promotion, which is not tolerated in Wikipedia. Mentioning the mp3 etc. is also promotion. You seem to be related to this clarinet choir, so it might also be worth mentioning the rules about conflict of interest. If you have any questions, feel free to ask here, I will watch this page. I hope you will stay and continue to contribute to Wikipedia in other matters. Best regards and happy editing. (Note that there is no rule against removing warnings once they were read and understood, so you can remove the above warnings if you find them unaesthetic) --Muhandes (talk) 08:04, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

January 2012

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Clarinet choir. While objective prose about beliefs, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 15:59, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Binksternet Editing Question

Dear Binksternet: I don't know if this is the way to communicate, but I can't find any other way to communicate back to an editor. You deleted a number of links from our listing to other Wikipedia pages that I just added. The links were to Mozart, Rossini, Sousa,Joplin and a number of other appropriate composers. I see almost all of the other listings under Clarinet Choir have similar musical pieces listed in their articles. Why were my listing of composers deleted as advertising?? They were just links to other Wikipedia sites not outside sites. If mine are not allowed, should you delete all the composer and title lists from all the other clarinet choirs? It's difficult to determine what is helpful information for readers and what is considered "advertising". I'm not really advertising Mozart, Rossini, etc. Thank you for your help.Kkkkkmusic (talk) 17:32, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

February 2012

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, as you did at Clarinet choir, you may be blocked from editing. --Deskford (talk) 23:55, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I appologize for the misunderstandings. I sent the following message to a previous editor BEFORE making my changes. I just can't understand the policies. THERE ARE 19 REFERENCES IN THE CLARINET CHOIR PAGE AND MOST OF THEM ARE TO ORGANIZATION WEB SITES AND ONE OF THEM I KNOW IS SELLING THEIR MUSIC. IF I AM NOT ALLOWED TO LIST MY WEB SITE ON THE REFERENCES, I REQUEST YOU REMOVE ALL THE OTHER WEB SITE LINKS IN THE REFERENCE SECTION ALSO! As I read the policies they seem to say if you are adding more information to a topic you can reference the site, but I guess that is not the case. At any rate, PLEASE REMOVE ALL THE OTHER LINKS in the reference section that go to other's web sites. This is only fair (it is more a mater of principles - we don't sell anything or make any money from any site). Thank you.

(previous post - before my changes): I read a number of links articles and it sounds like it is allowed in the Reference or Source section as long as you are not advertising to sell something or profit from it. I want to do the correct, but fair thing with any links. One statement was: An official link is a link to a website or other Internet service that meets both of the following:

1.The linked content is controlled by the subject (organization or individual person) of the Wikipedia article.
2.The linked content primarily covers the area for which the subject of the article is notable.

I will add a link offering more information on links and free mp3's - it seems like that is allowed. If for some other reason it is not, then all the other links should also be removed. Thanks. 23:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkkkkmusic (talk • contribs)kkkkkmusicKkkkkmusic (talk) 01:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

You are right that all the other links should be removed as well — the whole article needs a major clean-up. Please feel free to remove links that seem promotional. It is important to respect the principle of neutrality that lies behind Wikipedia, and to ensure it is not used for promotional purposes. Sorry if my warning seemed a little harsh, but I think other editors had already given you "level 1" and "level 2" warnings, which meant that I was supposed to give you the standard "level 3" warning. Best wishes, Deskford (talk) 02:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

This is another point that I find confusing. I don't feel like I have the authority to go in and just delete or change other peoples articles/pages. I don't know how Wikipedia is organized and who gives the warnings and makes the changes. It seems like I have edit capabilities to change anything, but I don't feel like I have the authority. And how do the messages get sent about not promoting yourself? The last time this question came up, the other "official editor" went in and deleted misc. lists of items off other peoples articles (after I was warned not to create the lists of composers - I just did what many others had on their sections at the time). (If I were to go in and change their articles, will they get notified that I did it and potentially start a problem with our group?) Thanks.kkkkkmusic Kkkkkmusic (talk) 13:53, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

In fact you have as much authority to edit an article as I or any other editor has. Non-one "owns" articles, and there are no "official editors". And you have as much right as any other editor to give warnings if you think someone has made an edit that goes against Wikipedia policy or against the general consensus of opinion among editors. Please read the article Wikipedia:Five pillars — I think you will find it gives a good brief introduction to the way Wikipedia works. --Deskford (talk) 14:07, 1 March 2012 (UTC)