Jjc16

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Xenophrenic

I've deleted off the previous discussion on my talk page because I'm sure you did the same thing to the discussion on your page. Suffice it to say that if feel that you are still wrong on several points, but I'm going to let the argument go -- if only for the sake of preserving peace in the world of Wikipedia. I believe that the source for the video was actually not primarily Youtube, but was a secondary site using the Youtube video as an example of the point they were making. If so, this would make the information much more legitimate, especially since the role of the website as an outside editor of the material should carry weight.

Also, I still feel like you were using the talk page to resolve a personal conflict and using the BLP to support this -- but whatever. If you say that WP policies mandate that you edit w . . . I mean, 3RR someone because a video comes from Youtube (even though it didn't -- it came from a conservative site similar to Media Busters, etc. on the liberal side), so be it. You win. Good for you. I hope that makes this experience more fulfilling for you.

Cheers!

Jjc16 (talk) 18:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Jjc16.

I never deleted any talk page discussions from you. I did revert an edit you made to my personal user page, just as I would if anyone edits that page. If you wish to discuss something with me, please use my discussion page and not my user page (just as we're doing here).

An editor tried to cite YouTube videos as sources for content in a WP:BLP article. That is against Wikipedia rules. You can see that clearly here where I reverted him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xWGvdRQ9Q and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WQbNaXJ8Pw

...are obviously from YouTube, and not "a secondary site" as you mistakenly assumed. I hope that clears things up for you. Wikipedia's rules on sources in BLPs is clear. Allow me to quote from the policy page:

Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. ... Remove any unsourced material to which a good faith editor objects; or which is a conjectural interpretation of a source (see Wikipedia:No original research); or that relies upon self-published sources (unless written by the subject of the BLP; see below) or sources that otherwise fail to meet standards specified in Wikipedia:Verifiability. The three-revert rule does not apply to such removals.

I'm sorry to see that you view editing Wikipedia as a competition. Your comments like, "You win. Good for you", don't reflect a good attitude about editing here. You should try to take a collaborative approach to editing, rather than a competitive approach -- I believe you'll find it much more rewarding, and everybody "wins". Stay well, Xenophrenic (talk) 19:09, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Xenophrenic,

If Wikipedia says a youtube video is an invalid source and the editor in question was using it as his primary and only source for the edit you were correct to revert him. I thought he had another source from an outside website that actually cited the video, but I guess that I'm mistaken.

Also, I see Wikipedia as collaborative effort (with lots of hugs, sharing of ideas, electronic kisses on the cheek, etc.) but sometimes, only occasionally, the editors of Wikipedia can have teeny, tiny, little differences of opinion with each other, which are typically resolved almost immediately and with no hurt feelings on either side (right?). In these cases, it is very important to compliment the side that eventually wins the argument and not hold grudges. Thus, I would see both of my statements as positive things to say to you. I hope that they came across this way. I would feel badly if they didn't.

May happiness follow you.

Jjc16 (talk) 05:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)