Isa Mulaj
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Editing
editIf you have something to edit, please discuss it on the edit page, or else your vandalism will be reverted time and time again. On another note, I am not Serbian, but Anglo-Spanish, and all of that information came from a book on the SS by Chris Bishop, who is not a smidgen Serbian either, but English. Thank you.
JonCatalan 21:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Kosovo
editYour contributions to the Kosovo article are always welcome, but keep in mind that wikipedia tries to represent a worldwide and neutral point of view. Before making edits that could be considered controversial, it's best to discuss them on the talk page, rather than having an edit war. You should also cite sources as much as possible, and remember to keep it civil, even in the most heated debates. -Mulder416 19:37, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
You refer to one source. People who are of academic background are strictly prohibited to do that, otherwise they are not academics (as it is the case with you. You should learn once that one source cannot be used to investigate an entire historical story, even if it is a very trusted one). You even do not know how to select sources in order to prepare something, but stick to only one which is highly unrealistic and everyone can question. For example, you say that SS occupied Skopje, that they had artillery... and... who knows... maybe some ballistic missiles. All this is a science fiction. You then go on and say that the Turks captured Skenderbeg earlier. What are you saying here? Skenderbeg was never captured but was taken as a hostage when he was only 5 years old. He was brought up in Instanbul and Ottoman Empire recruited him to fight against others. But he became aware when he was grown up and came back to defend Albania from Ottoman Empire and he was never captured. Just search "Skenderbeg" in Wikipedia and it tells you the story. You have picked up one source and maintain that it is an English one.
I have put my sources and you have removed them, in particular the one that tells to that Chris Bishop what were the relations between Albanians and the Jews. I am putting it again here, so you can remove it again to show your Vandalism. Here is the link: http://www.juedisches-archiv-chfrank.de/kehilot/albania/alban-resc.htm The name of Chris Bishop is religious (both his first and last name). That is why he had no reason of treating the subject matter from historical point of view but from his crusader hatred perspective. The central point as I understood from his text that you selected was: Albanian muslims (you even divide them into several sections), Orthodox Serbs, and Jews. And you are not aware that Albanians were and always will be a nation and not a religion. They are the least religious people in the world.
Isa Mulaj
Why do you rant about the Ottoman Empire? That is irrelevent both to the SS Division we are discussing and the United States. Furthermore, it was never claimed that the Albanians were religious - they aren't a race either. Albanians are of a nationality - therefore, the name of their country (Albania). That's not the point. The article specifically states that the division's purpose was to resettle areas with an ethnically pure Albanian race. You should actually read what the article states. You would be incorrect in making your assumptions. Finally, about the name Christ Bishop - many western names are related to older names that may come from Jewish or Christian mythology (for example, my name is Jonathan...and it's related to the King of the Maccabees. But I am not a religious person) - actually, you offered no CREDIBLE source to your stipulation that Mr. Bishop had prior relations with the Albanians, and in fact you offered not a single credible source in your arguments. I'm rather glad that the administrators of this online encyclopedia agree with me on the fact that your edits are vandalism. I'm not going to argue with you over this - I hope you stay away from that page. Your edits are not welcome, neither are they 'academic' (a word you like to toss around). Each time you edit the article with unwelcome attitude it will be reverted by a bot, an administrator or myself. Thank you very much. I will not reply to any comment that you may leave in this page.
JonCatalan 22:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Jon Catalan,
At the end of your comment you say: I will not reply to any comment that you may leave in this page. That is absolutely right. I am not leaving any comment to you, I am leaving to the rest of the world. Let them have their say about your and my sources. You already have received serious remarks about this writing in Wikipedia (those interested to know what remarks Jon Catalan received should go to talk page). Among others, one said: I do not think that the information of this article is entirely accurate. It seems like a sincere effort to induce people into a personal line of reasoning without concerning itself too much with historical accuracy.(Nikola 17:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)).
That book of Chris Bishop is published just recently (in 2005) in an attempt to revision the history. But given that books with historical distortions do not have a wide range of readers, you seem to act as a marketing manager of Chris Bishop to advertise his book on Wikipedia.
I now start refuting your comments. About Ottoman Empire: have a look at what you have written (I am copying your original text): The division arm patch consisted of a black double-headed eagle on a red background, and the division was named after George Kastrioti Skanderbeg (1405 - 1468), who was renamed Iskander Bey after fighting for the Turks, who captured him earlier. He later led the unsuccessful attempt at Albanian independence against the Ottomans. Now, have a look at my previous comments about who captured him earlier. Whether Chris Bishop or you are saying so, it does not matter. What matters is that it is a lie. You have also received a remark by someone, not in the talk page but in your text, about Skanderbeg’s unsuccessful attempt at Albanian independence against the Ottomans, who told you: who writes this stuff, Skanderbeg fought and won against Ottomans for 25 years. Had Skanderbeg not been successful we won’t see Serbs speaking Serbian today. Come on let’s be serious, he concluded.
You also wrote that the task of the division was to establish a pure Albanian race in the region, among others, free of Jews. By the way, have you clicked on the link that I provided in my previous comment about the relation between Albanians and the Jews during WWII? Is that a CREDIBLE source? For you it may be not, for the rest of the world it is. You know why? Because it is written not by Chris Bishop, any Spaniard like you, but by a Jew called Haroey Samer who titled his thorough and detailed investigation Rescue In Albania: One Hundred Percent Of Jews In Albania Rescued From Holocaust, published by Brunswick Press, California, 1997. If you want to read it click here http://www.aacl.com/index11.html
Kosovo had the highest Jewish survival during WWII after Albania in occupied territories by Axis. Of total 520 Jews in Kosovo on the eve of WWII, 320 or over 60% survived (Source: read the book of Cambridge Professor Noel Malcolm, Kosovo: A Short History, New York University Press; New Update edition (November 2000).
You or Chris Bishop (it does not matter who) wrote that: It was originally designed to combat partisans in Yugoslavia, but it was used early on to massacre Orthodox Serbs in Kosovo, forcing over ten thousand families to flee north, and allowing ethnic Albanian farmers to settle in their stead. To prove that just the opposite has happened, you should not read any other book of Chris Bishop, but the facts published by some Serb scholars. Here is one source: Obradovič, Milovan (1981), Agrarna Reforma i Kolonizacija na Kosovu 1918-1941, (meaning: Agrarian Reform and Colonization in Kosova 1918-1941), Institut za Istoriju Kosova, Priština. This is a PhD dissertation showing who was massacring who, who grabbed the land of Albanians in Kosovo, who was fleeing from the terror to Turkey, and many more. The book is in Serbian and follows a vast number of Serb families by names and last names, their location where they came from to settle in Kosovo in the land taken by terror. Agrarian reform and kolonization continued until 1999.
Who needs more CREDIBLE sources?
I will revert your writing on this topic as long as an administrator allows you to post inaccurate things for marketing purposes, i.e. promote the book of Chris Bishop. By the way, I am an economist and know marketing better than you and Chris Bishop.
Isa Mulaj