Hip2PAOFO

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your edit Hip dysplasia (human)

Hi, I found your talk link on the page history for the Hip dysplasia (human) page. I had left a comment here before but somehow it got erased. (Things tend to disappear without a trace occasionally in my experience.) Sorry your first experience with editing wasn't nice. I've had my share of run ins with "authorities" here and know how frustrating that can be. I don't always have time to work on the page (I do have a life outside of Wikipedia) but I do things in bits. I looked at your edit and found 4 main objections to why the stuff was taken off again.

1. The pages are supposed to read like an encyclopedia and thus the style gurus have decided that we should not address the readers directly. Patient advice that has "You" or "your surgeon" in it is sure to get deleted.

2 Some things were already on the page in different places.

3 We can not use copyrighted material (e.g.images) that has not been released for use in wikipedia by the copyright holder. If you get a signed letter from them that says we can use the material you can put it in the "Commons" file and then put it on the page. (There are instructions on how to do that.) If you have an image that is your own, you can fill in a form there to release the image for wikipedia use.

4. All information that isn't common knowledge has to be referenced. Use the <ref/ref> button on top of the edit page and put the link in between the two refs. "Common knowledge" is rather limited, basically it's only stuff that no one would want to challenge. "Bones contain calcium." Would probably not need to be referenced. But "Calcium supplements help prevent osteoarthritis." Would require a very reliable source. Therapies that are experimental and not accepted and generally practiced by the medical establishment (of the western world) should be either left out or identified as such and put under a separate heading. The easiest way to "verify" information is to find it mentioned on another wikipedia page. Sticking with the calcium example if the "supplements" claim above would already appear on a page called "Calcium supplements" you could just link there. To do that put 2 angled brackets [ around the word. You have to be careful because if the word in the text has a different form or format from the page you link to. What you do is put the page heading behind the 2 opening brackets then a vertical bar | called "pipe" then the word that would appear in the text and the two closing brackets.

I suggest I copy out your edit from the page history and we look at where it fits and what your sources/references are. There are quite a few bits that I think merit being in the article. I'm willing to work together with you, but may not always have time in consecutive chunks. So there are going to be breaks when there'll be no answer. I agree that there should be a section for parents, with symptoms to be on the look out for. They are who first find the majority of cases that slip through/manifest after the newborn exam. (Sorry I temporarily misplaced my reference for that one.) If you have information with sources on fetal development, I'm currently working on getting a "background/development" section to a stage that it would mesh with the quality level we have reached for the rest of the page and would welcome help with that. Another section I think we might want to add is a "history" section. Not meaning the patient history but how the condition was viewed and treated throughout history.

Please feel free to contact me on my talk page Lisa4edit. Just click on the "talk" at the end here and it should take you to the page. The "edit this page" tab will then let you add your question or comment there. Please add new comments at the bottom. I keep forgetting to hit the "sign" button at the end of talk page /discussion page edits. That or four ~ will add your name automatically so people know who to respond to. --Lisa4edit (talk) 06:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)