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Re: Afd Corrupted bloodEdit

Done. :) RadioKirk talk to me 12:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


Hihi, takk for barnstar :) Rōnin 23:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Your removal of "the" from articlesEdit

Hi, I encourage you to consider reverting your edits to articles where you removed the article "the", as this is not grammatically correct and should have been discussed beforehand. I have commented in the discussion at WP:CVG. Aguerriero (talk) 18:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. - Kittybrewster 18:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)



I am one of the people who run the Darkonin, a kingdom in the online Mud Dark and Shattered Lands. Some people are trying to get it deleted due to lack of "notablility." I got your name off the World of Warcraft history, if you would post on the talk page about how it is sort of notable, as if that isn't notable, neither is anything about World of Warcraft, or many a fantastical novel.


"The" prefix across game console articles.Edit

I've reverted your removals of the "the" prefix. How about we discuss it further on Talk:Wii before changing every game console article? --Poiuyt Man talk 22:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I've added my comments in a new header. --Shandris 11:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


Did you make this image by any chance? --Hetar 02:59, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: PlayStation 3Edit

That is not relevant to the Fair use policies set by Wikipedia. You need to take both images and see their differences. If the images are extremely different, it is justified to use the Fair use one until a free image is released. However, Image:PS3 - Front Side (60GB HDD).jpg has no differences with Image:PS3 at CES 2006.jpg Or can you say they are different (other than the color and the control)? As for the name, the image can be renamed if needed. -- ReyBrujo 11:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Unluckily, Wikipedia forbids original research. The only way the black image could be used is a) the PS3 console had changed so much the previous free image is completely obsolete; or b) they release the image with a free license (Creative Commons or GFDL). Since neither is likely to happen, I suggesat reverting to Image:PS3 at CES 2006.jpg. If you don't wnat the image because it has removed ports, we can roll back even further and use Image:PeaceThree.JPG, as visually there are no differences between the new Fair use and that one. -- ReyBrujo 12:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

WoW Rogue cleanupEdit

Just wanted to say, "great job." The article is much-improved. RobertM525 23:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Nice work on the Warlock one as well. In all honesty, the preist and paladin articles look like they're in need of your skills. RobertM525 01:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Heavy RainEdit

You're welcome :) McDonaldsGuy 10:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

playstation 3 linkEdit

the link is not spam. please put it back up. I am not affiliated with them. It is a good site, and there's no reason to favor gamespot and all the other for-profit sites.

You did not discuss adding it, and as such is considered spam. Feel free to discuss adding it on the talk page of PlayStation 3. Wikipedia is not a link repository. Havok (T/C/c) 21:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

External Link Removal.Edit

I've only just started with the heavy hand of link removal on a number of music group pages that were out of control with fanpage and vanity page EL. Amazing... I had to call in the Mediation Cabal for Red Hot Chili Peppers and will undoubtedly face similar problems in the future with other groups I've been finding through the Wikipedia:WikiProject Music. Cries for fairness and arguments about how their little blog with 12 readers adds some form of integrity to WP... Horrifying.

So, anyhow, I just wanted to mention that I would be ripping off the little box / template at the top of your discussion page regarding EL, as I keep having to explain myself when I delete fanboy slash fiction pages and the like.

--Xinit 21:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: List of Virtual Boy gamesEdit

First, let me mention that I do not revert actions by another administrator without first discussing the issue with that administrator.

Second, while I can see this issue falls within a gray area and is therefore up for debate, my personal belief is that the list should not have images for each game, per WP:FUC #3. One example image would be fine in a list that size, and I do agree the rest are merely decorative. I would recommend you get in touch with User:Rossrs if you want a more definitive answer; he's more an expert than I. Thanks for writing! RadioKirk (u|t|c) 16:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the message you left at my Talk page, my only edit to List of Virtual Boy games was to protect it, as there was an edit war going on. It seems that an admin doing copyright cleanup was being reverted by a number of different accounts. It seemed easier to protect the page than to block the accounts involved. As far as what images belong in the article, you should discuss that at Talk:List of Virtual Boy games. Just make sure to follow Wikipedia:Image use policy. Jkelly 18:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair use policiesEdit

I'll be getting back to you about that after I have fully researched it myself. I note from your talk page history that you do not live in the United States. That is relevant to the extent that US copyright law is not a collection of precise statements about what is and is not "fair use" and therefore, formulation of official Wikipedia policy on the subject is in all likelihood impossible. The field is only shades of gray, I'm afraid. I note also that you self-identify as an inclusionist Wikipedian. This is further evidence that there may be a disconnect between what you recognize as being a proper use of images and a more deletionist philosphy which tends to favor free content over fair use content. I'm not in the business of telling people what to think, but I do have responsibility for the Foundation's legal affairs, which means I have to be concerned about these issues. Thanks for taking the time to bring it up again.--BradPatrick 12:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Tekken movie updateEdit

Hey this is Ncvla08 (the person who did the cast list thing for the Tekken 2006 film), first I wanna say sorry, I'm really new at this editing stuff. Second and most importantly, I just wanna thank you for updating it correctly, I haven't looked at the site lately (IMDb) and didn't know that they took the cast list down. But where do you get your infomation cause I can never find anything on the movie itself except for the description, etc, and I'm always looking around for it and coming up with nothing. Anyway, thanks again and I'll try to make sure that its true by more sources other than one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ncvla08 (talkcontribs)

Warcraft Custom MapEdit

I am greatly sorry. I had added a few maps to the list of custom maps; Geeks vs. Bullies, and Poke the Angry Ogre. I later took out Geeks vs. Bullies because I realized that it was essentially a sheep tag game. But what I am most sorry for is how I added something personal to it. I mentioned the rumors about Skythrone, but in fact, there are no rumors. I am the very person who is working on it, and I have so far neglected to publish my web site for it. Moreover, I suppose that the act I just mentioned would be considered advertising. I am sorry. Nevertheless, I should publish this custom map soon (in less than two weeks, if not, then a little over 7 weeks because I'll be traveling, but nevertheless...), so feel free check for it. It is a truly unique map though; I will grant you this one hint: it is a tournemant style game. Now that I have stated all that I have done, I hope you no longer need to worry and work because of my foolishness. Once again, I am sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

It's cool. Drop me a note when you've released it. Havok (T/C/c) 06:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Example Mega Drive gamesEdit

Hi, Havok. You reverted a change I made to the Mega Drive page. While I agree that there is the potential for POV, it is impossible to properly discuss the Mega Drive console without also describing the kinds of games it could play. Currently the article does not describe any games, why they are significant, how they use the Mega Drive hardware, etc. Sure, that's NPOV, but it's also not very useful for the reader. I'm open to suggestions as to how to select which games to cover in a NPOV way. Please join the discussion at Talk:Sega_Mega_Drive/Sega_Genesis. Ben 11:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Nice catchEdit

Thanks, I just thought of it as someone taking a bunch of info off and dismissed the edit as vandalism. Sorry about the revert. My apologies. .ιΙ Inhuman14 Ιι.( talk | contrib) 13:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok. no problem!


I made a note on the talk page that they should stay unless he provides a valid reason, he did not ignored the page and rv'd therefore i considerd this vandalism. I dont know why he is afraid of pictures however :\ Matthew Fenton [t/c] 16:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by political commentery? Matthew Fenton [t/c] 16:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh i see. Matthew Fenton [t/c] 16:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Warning without meaningEdit

I'm confused. I didnt *warn* him of anythign. I just suggested for him to go attack other articles which are FA, and if he believed in his policy wholeheartedly hed make systemic edits, not just one page as hes done for other uses of fair use images. A warning would imply consequences. What consequences would i bring? Hes a sysop and would have a lot more say in any dispute and could at least get me temporarily blocked. --larsinio (poke)(prod) 16:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I have read over the fair use several times. This is the not first time I've encountered ed, or minorly squabbled withi him. In *most* of the previous cases he was right. However he does have very high and inconsistant standards wbout criteria for a image to be used in an article. Anbd what really gets me is that ees quick to remove, not quick to improve. Instead of expanding a paragraph to provide neough context for an image to be used, hed rather remove it and add an orphan tag instantly. Changes are also not discussed before removal, giving the vested interests a chance to improve the article. The removal of edits wasnt made to all articles just this one.

It's this type of shit that makes peopel burned out from wikipedia. It's frustrating for a lot of peopel bc media they own and enjoy cannot be photographed without fair use attatched. And it seems that fair use policy is written very ambiguously, but some how peopel find very strict concrete interpreations from that. --larsinio (poke)(prod) 16:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Skythrone releasedEdit

its nothing much, and late, but skythrone is finally out:

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