User talk:EchetusXe/Archive 2009 part 2

Discuss.

Birmingham

Of the ones marked as Birmingham:

David Brown: confirm he guested for Birmingham in 1918, and played League football for Dundee, Rangers, Stoke, Notts Cty, Darlo, Crewe, Barrow, known as Davie Brown

Kenneth Faulkner: will be coming soon as Ken Faulkner

Fred Gardner: was a Birmingham player whose only first-team football for the club was in the wartime leagues; he played league football for Newport as well as Cov, see [1]

Henry Lane: will be coming soon as Harry Lane (footballer)

Also, Hong Soo is better known as Frank Soo. hope this helps,Struway2 (talk) 22:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Thats great thnx! I'll wait on Falkner and Lane.--EchetusXe (talk) 23:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Fred Gardner (cricketer) has the exact same details, unusual that Kent didn't add that he was a cricketer. But there we are.--EchetusXe (talk) 18:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Paul West

Good work so far! Just to let you know, Paul West never made a league appearance for Bradford City, but made 3 league apps for Wigan between 1993 and 1995 before moving to non-league Morecambe. Regards, GiantSnowman 00:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that!--EchetusXe (talk) 08:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Erza Horton

His actual name was Ezra Horton, three times FA Cup finalist with WBA. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC) Ah, nice one. thnx.--EchetusXe (talk) 08:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

E Chadwick and Eric Jones

Great job, mate! E. Chadwick could be Edgar Chadwick. Also, does your Eric Jones is Eric Norbert Jones? If so, he coached in Switzerland and Belgium: perfectly notable.--Latouffedisco (talk) 10:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

hmm, no E.Chadwick was at Vale whilst Edgar was playing for Everton. And not quite, Eric Norman Jones, though he did coach in the Netherlands so even if they are different people he should still be notable. thnx!--EchetusXe (talk) 12:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Eric Norman Jones played in the Football League for Wolves, Portsmouth, West Brom (but only the 3 games at the start of the abandoned 39/40 season), and Crewe. Though the very slight difference in middle names very probably doesn't make them different people, just differently-researched people. Struway2 (talk) 12:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Eric Norbert Jones coached BSC Young Boys from 1949 to 1951 and K. Beerschot V.A.C. from 1953 to 1955. So we have two individuals here...But are you sure it was Eric Norman Jones who coached De Graafschap? I think it must be Eric Norbert. I've performed a quick search at allfootballers.com, there are 3 Eric Jones. If you know someone with a registration who could disambiguate their career, it would help us a lot.Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 15:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the book has always been right for me. I'll put this message in the talk page I have going so someone can check if they have access to that site.--EchetusXe (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The three Eric Jones listed on allfootballers.com, are Eric John Jones, born March 1938, played for Coventry 1956-1961; Eric Jones born June 1931, played for Preston NE, Nottingham Forest and others between 1949 and 1962 and Eric Norman Jones born 5 February 1915, died 1985 whose clubs are as listed by Struway above. The site never gives details of management careers, so is not of much help in separating Eric Norman and Eric Norbert. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

OK great, I'll make the Eric Norman article and see what happens about Norbert.--EchetusXe (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

So they are one and the same. The one born in 1915. Great.Thanks Daemonic Kangaroo.--Latouffedisco (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Edward Didymus

He played three league games for Blackpool in 1909–10. His debut was at Oldham Athletic on 11 December (2–0 defeat). The other two were consecutive games against Leeds City (away, 27 December, lost 3–1; home, 1 January, won 3–1). Reference: Calley, Roy (1992). Blackpool: A Complete Record 1887–1992. Breedon Books Sport. p. 194. ISBN 9781873626078. - Dudesleeper / Talk 14:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

He also played in the Southern League for Portsmouth and Northampton Town. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

He was listed as Fred Didymus in list of Blackpool F.C. players, but I wasn't sure how accurate that was, so I amended it to Edward. - Dudesleeper / Talk 16:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

According to allfootballers.com, he was Fred Edward Didymus, born 13/04/1886, date of death not recorded. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks fellas.--EchetusXe (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Archibald Dyke

Middle name of "Samuel". Made one league appearance for Blackpool in 1921–22, in a 2–1 defeat at Notts County on 8 October. Calley, Roy (1992). Blackpool: A Complete Record 1887–1992. Breedon Books Sport. p. 218. ISBN 9781873626078.- Dudesleeper / Talk 14:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

He also played in the Football League for Aston Villa (see [2]) and Coventry City. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 14:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Common first name of "Archie". - Dudesleeper / Talk 15:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Nice one, thnx.--EchetusXe (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Syd Owen

Listed as "A. Owen" in my book. Made two league appearances for Blackpool in 1911–12. Made debut on 23 September, in a 3–0 defeat at Fulham. Second and final appearance came in the next game, seven days later, a single-goal victory over Derby at Bloomfield Road. Calley, Roy (1992). Blackpool: A Complete Record 1887–1992. Breedon Books Sport. p. 198. ISBN 9781873626078. - Dudesleeper / Talk 14:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

This Syd Owen (Alfred Sydney Owen) was an England amateur international, who played for several clubs, including Stoke and Leicester. Not to be confused with the Syd Owen who was a full England international, although they may well have been related. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 15:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Cheers guys.--EchetusXe (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Reg Cumner

He was actually Horace Cumner (Reginald Horace Cumner) who played for Arsenal and Wales, and scored for Wales v Ireland in the 1939 British Home Championship. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 15:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Great, I will make that then--EchetusXe (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Billy Rowley

or Bill Rowley was an England international (see [3]), who had a long career at Stoke. I may well put together an article on him. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 15:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, might make a start myself if I get round to it. Got about a dozen lines worth of info in the book.- Thnx for your help!-EchetusXe (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm currently working this up on my sandbox. i'll endeavour to finish it tomorrow. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:28, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Finished. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

George Shutt

George Shutt was also an England player (one appearance in 1886), so I'll create an article on him over the weekend, unless you get their first. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll start, have a few hours free.--EchetusXe (talk) 09:29, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Bert Gosnell

is Albert Gosnell. England details here. Struway2 (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

thnx, dunno how I missed that.--EchetusXe (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Billy Reynolds & Butterworth

I'm not sure this is our guy but a William Reynolds coached BSC Young Boys (again) in the 1910's.--Latouffedisco (talk) 18:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I found a Butterworth coaching Hammarby IF in 1920.--Latouffedisco (talk) 18:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Could well be the same Butterworth, no idea if its the same Reynolds, no info on him past 1892.--EchetusXe (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Jack Cameron

is the redlinked John Cameron (St. Mirren) at the John Cameron disambiguation page. Scotland international [4] [5] and nearly 200 games for Chelsea [6], who incidentally call him Jock Cameron, as does Joyce's book. Struway2 (talk) 19:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

and Mick Fenton is Micky Fenton. Struway2 (talk) 19:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

and John Davis is John Davies (footballer), despite the spelling discrepancy. Both Joyce's book and the website of nightmares spell him with the 'e'. Struway2 (talk) 19:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Nice, thnx.--EchetusXe (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)