Dapcman

I have been a Bridgeview resident for 27 years and have never heard the comparison between 91st and Harlem and Cabrini Green...just wondering where you got that information from.

arab projects

I have indeed heard of that area called the "Arab Projects," and I am familiar with TAP, but any comparison to Cabrini-Green, even symbolic, is ridiculous. That area has nowhere near the amount of crime, poverty, and problems that Cabrini-Green had. Most of Cabrini-Green is gone by now, but maybe the residents of the "Arab Projects" (and especially TAP) should spend a weekend at Cabrini-Green...I'm sure they'll see more crime there in two days that they have in the last five years at 91st and Harlem.

However, I do admit that many of the inner-southwest suburbs, Bridgeview included, have had gang problems in the past. The 1996 drive-by shooting outside of Sinbad's Castle at 92nd & Harlem is an example of this. Things have gotten a lot better, but gangs will never completely go away in the area.

suburban history

Your last message definitely clears things up. I certainly can see how the area can be considered to be like the "projects," and it does have humorous connotations.

I agree with you that this is a good way to showcase the history of the suburbs. It's nice to see people like you and many others contributing to the site. A lot of people think the suburbs are just strip malls and McDonald's, but there's a lot of history to be told. Another of my interests is gangs and gang activities in the SW suburbs. There are a lot of sites out there that have a good history of gangs in the city, but it's hard to find good info on the suburbs, so if you know of any other sites please let me know.

Identity theft at TCF

I have neither added nor removed any positive statements (factual statements that could be either proven or disproven). My edit consisted strictly of removing some of the unverifiable information ("Many customers are not outraged due to the fact that TCF kept them oblivious of the situation...." Lack of customer outrage is not significant -- I am a TCF customer and former employee and I am not outraged, mainly because I know that this happens at every large bank, and I know that they take reasonable steps to prevent it -- and there is no way to prove that the lack of outrage is due to a "cover up" by TCF.)

I am not even sure that this incident merits inclusion in the Wikipedia article. EVERY major bank has incidents like this, and unless there is some pattern of lax internal security, proof of a cover up, or large reaction from customers or media, this is just another internal bank security issue. I could point to hundreds (maybe thousands) of similar occurrances at other banks. The dollar amount stolen is also not that significant: less than .005% of TCF Financial's total assets (half a penny per hundred dollars).

Finally, Wikipedia contributions must be verifiable. Any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source...Jimmy Wales has said of this: "I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons." A Google search for Learnus Ross and TCF Bank returns no results. Private inside information can not be accepted. If you think there is a coverup, you might consider contacting some local newspapers and TV stations. After this is reported by a reputable source, then it can be included in Wikipedia. Absent such verification, I will remove the section entirely in a few days. Cmadler 14:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not saying that you are not a credible source. I am saying that this information is not currently verifiable, which is the standard for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news organization. This is a tool for organizing and catologuing information which has already been reported/publicized elsewhere. Cmadler 00:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Please do not re-add this section to the article without including references, per WP:CITE and WP:V. Cmadler 11:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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December 2009

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