Coumarin

User:Hganesan (yes, again)

After a succession of blocks by numerous admins over the last month, User:Hganesan has returned yet again to Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant. I don't want to waste a bunch of time edit warring with him again, so I'm instead going to try a new tactic. I'd like to get as many NBA editors as possible together on this, so that we can make a single unified push to the appropriate admins. I am at a loss for other tactics we can use to avoid his continued attempts to push his agenda and his unwillingness to compromise. Please contact me at User talk:Simishag if you're interested in helping out. Thanks. Simishag 23:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of AOHack Programs

Hi Coumarin,

Actually, if I remember correctly, yours was the one Keep !vote that I considered to have come from an established Wikipedian. The article as it stood was not verifiable, at least, for the term "AOHack Programs", so the concerns of the Delete !voters and the nominator was certainly a valid one. As I noticed in my closure, AOL4Free might be notable enough for inclusion in AOL. In this particular case, the AfD wasn't easy to close (which is why it took longer to close than for other, non-controversial AfDs, and there are plenty of admins who are willing close those), but I still stand by my closure. If you are still unsatsfied with my explanation, however, you are free to request a deletion review on this closure. --Deathphoenix ʕ 16:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Fair enough. A few questions though. So, the deletion had more to do with the generic term than the actual content itself? Also, as far as AOL4Free is concerned, it was simply one of a thousand programs. The only reason it got publicity from media is because of Nicholas Ryan's conviction. It wasn't any more popular than the other programs. So, I could make a separate article for it given its fame and it could be based off its existing documentation. Would you be opposed to creation of a more careful newly created article that described these programs? Thanks. Coumarin 18:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
  • (I quoted your message above just to make it convenient for me to reply) The generic term was part of it, but the content was a major part as well due to verifiability issues. While AOL4Free was just one of a thousand programs, the very fact that it was linked to Nicholas Ryan's conviction is enough to make it notable for inclusion in some form, while the other pograms were not. I don't think you can create a separate article by itself, as the AfD mentioned that AOL4Free would be appropriate to mention in the AOL article. Creating another article to describe these programs would be like a recreation of previously-deleted content, which is open to being speedy deleted, so I wouldn't do that either. I would just mentioned AOL4Free in AOL and leave the other programs out. The !voters in the AfD indicated that AOL4Free was the only one that was notable enough out of the lot. --Deathphoenix ʕ 18:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Sixty Six

We really need a bullet point timeline of how Sixty Six was bullied by those involved. Feel up to helping out? Geoffrey Mitchell 18:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

RE: Geoffrey Mitchell's blocking

Seems Will and Matthew have decided that I'm the clod who went on the spamming spree against them last week despite the fact that the IP addresses don't match. Note also that Ryan -- the admin who imposed the block without providing his evidence -- is also located in England, not far from where Will and Matthew claim to reside. This is really proving a lot of claims of "old boy" networking going on with regards to admins, and it's really souring me on the whole concept of shared knowledge forums like Wikipedia. I've been in peer review and info exchange processes before, and this is *NOT* how they're run in real life. I guess the major difference is that my past experiences have been with mature adults, and not immature children. 24.242.164.153 19:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, it's laughable how the system works. It's not ironic that somehow everyone that talks about this Will and Matthew thing ends up permanently banned right off the bat (without having any previous bans). Also, some girl, also from England deleted this message after you posted it. I guess someone is stalking me. Coumarin 18:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)