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2021

2021 Stanley Cup playoffs

Don't be bothered by the introductions that I've been posting. I had to keep some in the bank in case a disruptive editor showed up. I have almost no desire to take over what you usually do. If you need anything from my sandbox that can help you take it, plus I still owe you one from last year. Deadman137 (talk) 02:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: Well I have already created the introductions in my sandbox. I'll also create the ones for the Semifinals after this round ends. Besides, I enjoy this kind of fun stuff, and I get to work with an amazing Wiki editor such as yourself. Conyo14 (talk) 03:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I did start on a few of them a few days ago when I saw that you hadn't started on them yet, just in case they were needed. Though please take what I have written for the potential Edmonton Winnipeg series because I don't want to deal with Oilers and Jets fans saying that we talked about the Flames and Jets last year. Deadman137 (talk) 03:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I was reading through the stuff that you're storing for the upcoming rounds, as usual it's all well done. Though I noticed that there are some parts missing from some of the North Division matchups (bonus points for you if you can find them without looking in my sandbox). Deadman137 (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: Ah, well it seems I placed the wrong series between the finals and semifinals. Also I was not thinking of the match-ups between cities, mainly because of the longevity between franchises, but I suppose if someone is going to put in this trivia anyway.Conyo14 (talk) 20:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I could care less where you place stuff in a sandbox as long as it's accurate when you put it in the main article. The city histories should be kept to a minimum, though most of the Canadian historical matchups at this point involves Winnipeg. The only other worry would be an Edmonton/Ottawa or Toronto/Vancouver Finals series. When Seattle gets into the playoffs we'll have to do some stuff there as well; other than that, the only other cities where there is history from that far back and a large enough population or interest level is Portland and Quebec City and I don't think that they'll be getting teams anytime soon. Plus if this stuff has to go in these articles I'd rather one of us writes it so at least it's of good quality. Deadman137 (talk) 23:56, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

The web address that you need for the last citation is already in the article. Deadman137 (talk) 02:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137 Thank you. I'm on mobile right now so it's a bit difficult. Conyo14 (talk) 02:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Anytime. If you ever need to know what time a game ended at, go into gamecenter on the app or the site (under the box subsection) and scroll right to the bottom, you'll find a link down there called game summary. Once you click on the link you'll see the digital game sheet for the game that you're checking and it will have the start and end times on it. Just double check the time zone because it's always done in the local time zone of the home team.

Only three elimination games tomorrow night, and two of them are starting 45 minutes apart. It's not the six that they had last year, but it should be fun and a little crazy tomorrow. Deadman137 (talk) 03:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: Thank you for that tidbit! I do a little YouTube on the side with the overtime games and I want to know the chronological order. Today should be fun though. Conyo14 (talk) 15:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

If you know the author of the game summary from the league just hide the citation without the web address for the final game of a series and I'll fill it in for you, like we did last year. Deadman137 (talk) 01:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: For today's games, I most likely will be doing this, especially if the teams end up winning their respective games.Conyo14 (talk) 16:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, can I get you to help with a situation on the 2021 template? We have a user that has decided without consensus to change the entire layout and refuses to talk about it on the talk page. Deadman137 (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: I've created a section in the template to talk about it, do you mind undoing all of the edits that user did? I will moderate the talk section, mainly to keep it civil. It could come down to an RfC, but let's not get that far yet. Right now these are all good faith edits. Try not to war about it, but make bans if necessary. Conyo14 (talk) 18:51, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey if you're looking for some hockey related writing to do instead of watching a template implosion (that continued into this morning). The Canadian government approved cross border travel for the third and fourth round if necessary. I started on it but I feel like it could use your touch to improve it a bit more. Deadman137 (talk) 18:40, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you were thanking me earlier. Sure I dumped stuff in and finished it off with the easy tap in, but you did the leg work to get it there. Deadman137 (talk) 03:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: Learn to take a freaking compliment, lol. Conyo14 (talk) 16:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I have just made this revert, but I don't know if it's the best either. Should we not advance winning teams into the semifinals al all, until round 2 is over entirely? I would have asked this at the talk page but it has quickly become a toxic place since I last commented there. DB1729 (talk) 00:16, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

@DB1729: Hey there, we can advance those teams since we know their seeding, but we can't have "N4" or "W1" in the square preceding their team name.Conyo14 (talk) 02:02, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the confirmation. I have no strong feelings on the debate or the topic. I agreed with your position, but I left my opinion only because I was already there fixing a formatting issue. Fwiw, I intend to avoid that template, its talk page and other directly related pages. DB1729 (talk) 02:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Semifinal intro

We obviously have to address the re-seeding in third round. I think that we could consider recycling some of what we used for teams advancing from the qualifying round last year.

Ex:

(team location name) earned the second seed in the Stanley Cup Semifinals as the team with second best regular season record advancing from the Second Round.

(team location name) earned the third seed in the Stanley Cup Semifinals as the as the team with third best regular season record advancing from the Second Round.

Though it might be simpler to just use a blanket statement at the top of the round section. Such as "Teams advancing from the Second Round have been reseeded based on their regular season records". Thoughts? Deadman137 (talk) 11:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: I think we will have to, in the Semifinals intro of the entire section, mention that re-seeding is based on League-wide standings, and include a link to those standings.

It also may be wise to include a tid-bit about where the teams stand, aside from in their own sections.

Example (can include tie breakers)

(1) COL 82 Pts

(3) CAR 80 Pts

(12) NYI 71 Pts

(16) MTL 59 Pts

So then in their own sections we write "(Team) earned the (League Seed) in the League, granting them the (Semifinal seed) in the Semifinals." What do you think?Conyo14 (talk) 17:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm thinking that we need a note about the re-seeding at the top of the section. As far as league seeding goes I don't want to open that can of worms because someone might get the bright idea to go add that to all articles since 1982. Also with Minnesota now out we have no tiebreakers left as all four teams in the third round will have different point totals; plus at a certain point we do have let people figure things out on their own.

On a somewhat unrelated note, if Montreal were to comeback and beat Toronto our roles would get much easier. As the West would be playing for the first seed in the third round, the Central for the second, East for the third and North for the fourth. Deadman137 (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

My bad, I'm still good on some type of mentioning about the Semifinal seeding, busy day... Deadman137 (talk) 05:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: Well now I'm rooting for Montreal to win for our sake.

Well I did have an argument for it, but I guess I'll keep it here for reference. "Unfortunately, this year's playoffs are a combined 1982-1993 and 1980-1981 playoff combination. Where the 80's are divisional-based in-conference and 1980/1981 are League-based. We have a divisional-based League playoffs here. I feel saying which seed they are in-league will clear up confusion on where they stand." Conyo14 (talk) 05:45, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I've had that very thought off and on since they announced how this season will work (though the final four this year resembles what the league did more of in the late 70s; semantics, me, you have an idea how I operate). I was even playing around with some ideas on how to do stuff like that during the start of the playoffs. Every idea that I tried had issues, from potential knock on effects, violations of WP:MOS, etc. Thankfully we should now be able to get out of this without any big issues going forward as the hockey gods helped us out a bit.

Also keep in mind that if Toronto does get through to third round that they would be in the 2/3 series against the Central winner, as the West winner is the first seed. The East winner will be seed 3 or 4 depending on who comes out of the North. Also, don't kill yourself researching all of the season series between the semifinalists. Deadman137 (talk) 11:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: Hey Deadman 137. For the Semifinals, should we mention the most recent Conference Finals/Semifinals each team has played? I suppose it would keep consistency for this.Conyo14 (talk) 19:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

It's not a bad idea to keep it, just limit the range to only include totals from the 16 team playoff era (1980-present, including 2020). If we were to expand the range through each team's franchise history I'm not going to help count the totals of the two original six teams that will be in the second round. Deadman137 (talk) 00:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review

If you would like to comment in this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NBA playoff series it has a direct effect on the NHL playoff series list as it is also listed. Deadman137 (talk) 00:19, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I have added my opinion. Conyo14 (talk) 08:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Template

I know that you're trying, just leave Rupertslander alone, they've already hung themselves and will have to face the consequences. Deadman137 (talk) 06:09, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: And I thought your feud with Mastergwe was bad. But man this guy is something else. Conyo14 (talk) 07:17, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Is it weird that I'm not bothered by either situation? Though given how long I've been editing in these areas, I guess it just comes with the territory. I've never seen anyone, anywhere, on here do that before. The good news is that they'll likely be facing a very long or an indefinite block and a topic ban after this. Deadman137 (talk) 07:31, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Colorado/Montreal intro

You can simplify the introduction to this potential series, just use Edmonton/Dallas 1997, Boston/Carolina 1999 and Carolina/Montreal 2002 as examples. Though if you wanted to have some fun with it and keep standards high, you could change the "between these two teams" to "between these two former rivals" and then link to the rivalries article. Deadman137 (talk) 11:47, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Problem editor

We've got another problem editor in the North Division do you want to help out with them? Deadman137 (talk) 00:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Calling your friends are we?Þadius (talk) 00:48, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: @Þadius: What the hell is going on? I don't see any reverts in the playoffs article. Why did another user comment on my talk page? Please explain this. Conyo14 (talk) 03:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

It's over here, we've got our third combative editor of the playoffs. Deadman137 (talk) 03:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Keep an eye on the current Finals article and the Finals section in the playoff article, Rupertslander is using IP addresses to add irrelevant and incorrect things to the article. Deadman137 (talk) 13:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Excellent. Conyo14 (talk) 15:04, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Conference trophies

Looks like the league is awarding the Campbell bowl and Prince of Wales trophies. Montreal and Vegas are playing for the Campbell, obviously the other series is for the Wales trophy. Deadman137 (talk) 04:42, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Lovely Conyo14 (talk) 17:41, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Quick note

I read through what you have so far for the Finals. The only note that I have is Montreal and Tampa Bay meeting in the Finals would be the first occurence since 1980 where the two teams in the Finals were in the same division in the previous season. I'll admit that it's near the line of triviality and leave it to your discretion if you want to add it. Other than that, you've got everything completely under control. Deadman137 (talk) 03:36, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: Thank you for the note. It is very trivial and I might leave it out. 'Twer' it be the same season with teams from the same division then I'd be more inclined to include this.Conyo14 (talk) 05:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

That was what I was thinking too. Deadman137 (talk) 03:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I think that it goes without saying, that these articles wouldn't be as good as they are without all of the work that you do behind the scenes. Deadman137 (talk) 04:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: *Pours champagne into glasses. Cheers to another successful playoffs with minimal interruptions.Conyo14 (talk) 16:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Cheers (got busy on my end right after the playoffs ended). After the second round it was quite peaceful this year. It is hard to believe that if you count the two round-robins from 2020 we covered the equivalent of 40 playoff series in just over 11 months, plus all of the other prep work that normally goes into everything. Deadman137 (talk) 05:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Game tables

I probably should have mentioned this before game one (my bad), there have been issues getting accurate scoring out of Tampa right after games all throughout the playoffs. The worst was game three of their series with Carolina, where the scorers had the Lightning with six players on the ice when they gave up the overtime goal. Tampa was short-handed at the time of that goal and it was in the game summary for over 20 minutes after the game ended. Deadman137 (talk) 10:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137: Oh man, that first game was just awful fixing the game summary each time the changed the freaking goal. I may have to do the summary much later after the game then. By the way, I'm going to be very busy tonight. Would you mind doing the tables tonight? I can handle the summary still.Conyo14 (talk) 15:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I'll handle the tables. That was nuts just for the main playoff article, I knew that despite your experience that you were in it neck deep that night. Deadman137 (talk) 02:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

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