Chappy75

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Golden Hawks

Dear Brian;

The reason that I added the information regarding the Golden Haws, was to include relevant information about this project! I spent thirty five years in aviation as an AME and I worked for Field Aviation in Mountainview airport about 10 miles south of Trenton Airbase, from 1958 until 1963. R.C.A.F. stored the aircraft that I mentioned, in the additions, and we carried out modifications repairs etc. before they were sent back into service as required. We modified the Golden Hawks as I indicated, and were well acquainted with the initial crews as they spent considerable time becoming familiar with the aircraft! As I mentioned they also had their first practices at Mountainview!

You can find references to this and other Air Force information in my book "A Canadian in Aviation" by Dick Chapman at Amazon.ca or Barnes and Noble Book Stores! The book has only been in print for about four months and I am in the process of marketing it! in a number of outlets.

I trust that this information is satisfactory, and if you have any questions, please contact me astrawin1@gmail.com or 519-823-8583.

Sincerely

Dick ChapmanChappy75 (talk) 19:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC) 519-823-8583

Hi Dick, thanks for the information and for adding to the value of Wikipedia. I would love to read your book; I'm sure it will bring back lots of memories. The reasons I removed your additions was mostly they were unreferenced. Feel free to add the information back, but please add your references (see wp:sources). I'm sure there would be lots of discussion because ot the discrepancies in the facts. Wikipedia, however, has rules about what can be included. If you add information that is original research (e.g. from first hand experience or even a book you wrote), it could be removed. Wikipedia is essentially a compendium of information that already exists, and everyone has to be able to back up their edits with reliable sources. The reason why I said "incorrect or dubious" is that the information you added seemed to disagree with my sources, which was Dan Dempsey's book "A Tradition of Excellence". He mentions how Mountain View was indeed where the jets were obtained, but there was no mention of the Golden Hawks practising there. The book mentions that the jets were taken out of storage at MV and that S/L Villeneuve, who led the GH from 59-60, only test flew the Sabres (1959 rather than 1958 as you mentioned) to ensure they were capable of the job. Painting, repairs/maintenance were to be handled at 6RD, Trenton. Any jets deemed undesirable were to be returned to MV. The first two aircraft were test flown and found acceptable in February 1959 (not 1958). The team was official as of March 1, 1959. Actual preliminary team training took place at Chatham. Perhaps some of this information is wrong? Anyway, welcome to Wikipedia, and I look forward to editing with you. Please don't be discouraged by the reversal of your edits; this happens to all of us. I'm sure you have lots of information you could add (referenced) that would add incredible value to this encyclopedia. Cheers.  BC  _{talk to me} 23:59, 26 January 2011 (UTC)