Cathylinch1997
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Can someone answer my question please and thank? For example islamic History books written by Islamic scholars?
March 2022 edit
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- Ok thank you, I will talk a look. Cathylinch1997 (talk) 16:23, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
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April 2022 edit
Hello, I'm Iskandar323. I noticed that you recently removed content from The Book of Sulaym ibn Qays without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. A lack of adequate sourcing is not automatically grounds for the removal of content. If the content is plausibly accurate, your first port of call should be to look for better sourcing. Your second port of call should be to add cleanup notes. Deletion, especially on short or poorly fleshed out articles, should only be your last port of call. (Ditto the section blanking on Abu Bakr) Iskandar323 (talk) 07:05, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry I will keep that in mind for later on. Cathylinch1997 (talk) 18:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- are Islamic history books considered as a proper source or self research? Cathylinch1997 (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- To be honest, it depends on the book. The History of the Prophets and Kings by Al-Tabari, for instance, is one of the very best sources for Islamic history, and Al-Tabari is quite an impartial writer, typically presenting all the versions of a certain recounting of events that he has collected without bias. Obviously most of these sources are still considered to be primary, so where available, the ideal scenario is to have a reliable, secondary source covering the needed details from a modern academic perspective. However, primary sources can still be quoted directly, particularly where they add color, or if secondary sources are lacking; they just needs to be clearly attributed. In The Book of Sulaym ibn Qays article, the quote from Al-Shaykh Al-Mufid is fine; the dodgy part is actually at the start of that paragraph where it says "Some medieval Shia scholars considered the authenticity of the book to be valid...", which is the sort of generalizing Wikivoice statement that 100 per cent needs to be cited to a reliable secondary source. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, I appreciate the clarification, I am still new to this thing Cathylinch1997 (talk) 23:59, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- To be honest, it depends on the book. The History of the Prophets and Kings by Al-Tabari, for instance, is one of the very best sources for Islamic history, and Al-Tabari is quite an impartial writer, typically presenting all the versions of a certain recounting of events that he has collected without bias. Obviously most of these sources are still considered to be primary, so where available, the ideal scenario is to have a reliable, secondary source covering the needed details from a modern academic perspective. However, primary sources can still be quoted directly, particularly where they add color, or if secondary sources are lacking; they just needs to be clearly attributed. In The Book of Sulaym ibn Qays article, the quote from Al-Shaykh Al-Mufid is fine; the dodgy part is actually at the start of that paragraph where it says "Some medieval Shia scholars considered the authenticity of the book to be valid...", which is the sort of generalizing Wikivoice statement that 100 per cent needs to be cited to a reliable secondary source. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)