Burnsworth1

May 2023

Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to IAI Harpy, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. BilCat (talk) 00:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at IAI Harpy, you may be blocked from editing. BilCat (talk) 01:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

• A source is already in the article: "South African heritage". Air Forces Monthly. December 2022. p. 23."

BilCat (talk) 02:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

So you simply added a source claiming it is stated in the "South African heritage" Air Forces Monthly: "In the late 1980s, Kentron sold the designs for its ARD-10 loitering drone to IAI December 2022. p. 23". Burnsworth1 (talk) 02:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry but claiming something exists in the "South African heritage" Air Forces Monthly December 2022. p. 23 is not enough. It's just your word. Where is the link to the source showing Kentron sold it's ARD-10 loitering drone designs to IAI? Burnsworth1 (talk) 02:30, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:PUBLISHED. It is convenient, but by no means necessary, for the archived copy [of a cited source] to be accessible via the Internet. General Ization ^Talk 02:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. Air Forces Monthly is a reliable published source. I didn't add the source myself, and it's not online as far as I can tell but it is considered. reliable. Do you have a particular reason for questioning the claim? BilCat (talk) 02:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I didn't state anywhere that I doubt the reliability of Air Forces Monthly, however you said "it is considered reliable". Which means there is still uncertainty. However this is not my point, you claimed that Air Forces Monthly says that Kentron sold it's ARD-10 loitering drone designs to IAI, but where is the link to it showing it says that? You can't even provide what you claim it says.

According to the Director at African Defence Review, he says this: "Speaking of the Harpy and Harop, the close similarity of both the Lark and Raki to the Harpy cannot be a coincidence, and it’s likely that some design knowledge was shared from IAI given the close relations between apartheid era South Africa and Israel at the time." https://twitter.com/darren_olivier/status/1312729324974477312 Burnsworth1 (talk) 04:33, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

So this means it should be written as "According to various claims on the internet, "South African heritage" Air Forces Monthly December 2022. p. 23 says that in the late 1980s, Kentron sold the designs for its ARD-10 loitering drone to IAI. IAI then used those designs to develop the Harpy which was first tested in 1989". Burnsworth1 (talk) 04:51, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Please refrain from abusing warning or blocking templates, as you did to User talk:BilCat. Doing so is a violation of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Please use the user warnings sandbox for any tests you may want to do, or take a look at our introduction page to learn more about contributing to the encyclopedia. Thank you. General Ization ^Talk 02:11, 19 May 2023 (UTC)