Bondoa6

VA-65

I do not belive this data to be copywritten. It comes from the US Navy Historical Center,and there is no copywrite on the document...it is done by an agency of the USA.

Agreed. The speedy deletion tag has been removed by an administrator, and all is well. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for contributing. If I can help with anything, please leave a message on my talk page. Vectro 20:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I apologise for the db copyvios on 65 and 42, you were right in that those were in the public domain however it would be beneficial to list the source of the information noting it's in the domain. –– Lid^(Talk) 01:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

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VT-10, VT-86

These pages were speedily deleted by an administrator. See the deletion log for VT-10 and VT-86. I have created requests for undeletion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 September 27#VT-10 and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 September 27#VT-86. You can expidite the undeletion of these articles by leaving votes on that page. Undeletion requires three 'undelete' votes within 5 days.

In future, when you first upload a new article from a US government source, it's probably a good idea to put a note on the talk page about the copyright status of the source material, to protect the article from overzealous admins.

Cheers, Vectro 01:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You can mark pages as having content from the Naval Historical Center by using the template {{NHC}}, which makes an entry in the article like this:

This article includes information collected from the Naval Historical Center, which, as a US government publication, is in the public domain.

Use of this template will probably ensure that your new pages are not deleted for copyright reasons. Cheers, Vectro 03:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually those two I support the copyvio deletion of as globalsecurity.org is NOT a US government entity. –– Lid^(Talk)

They were taken directly from VT-10 and VT-86's offical US Navy web site..now if globalsecurity is taking their stuff from them, and copywriting, it is wrong. I think that before you delete, you should try to tarck down the original info source.The link is as follows:

https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/tw6/vt10/history.asp

https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/tw6/vt86/history.asp

Perhaps, but the issue is now rather murky. At least one organization has published the materials with an "obvious copyright notice", so the articles can't be undeleted without a clear statement that they are in fact government works. I have created a page on this dispute, detailing my contacts to the government. You should at this point do one of two things:

1. Make your points known on the request for undeletion: I have been advocating on your behalf, but the point will be clearer if you make it); or
2. Recreate the articles without using the texts in question.

Cheers, Vectro 19:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Is it me, or are there some seriously over excited people about this stuff? One guy called me lazy...may be, if its in the rules, its in the rules. I will be perfectly frank, this kind of stuff turns peoople off. i was telling a friend that uses Wiki and he thought they [the deleters] were over the edge...if the info is pubklic domain, no matter how it gets there, it should be allowed. Unless wiki re-writes its "consititution". Your thoughts?Bondo 19:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I think once a decision to delete has been made, the original doesn't want to reverse him- or herself, and other administrators are loathe to second-guess their peer. If the naval article is of good quality (it seems to be), then my view is that using it as the base of a wikipedia article is just good reuse. Maybe it's lazy, but in the sense of "efficient", not in the sense of "apathetic". Vectro 19:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I agree with your last comments on my talk page. Even if its reuse, it is start, and maybe soemone with more time can expand. Beats having soemone search and not find anything...and if they don't want to take the time to learn how to post, then we still have missing entries. I think you are the most levelheaded one (administrator) out there...once again, thanks for your help!Bondo 20:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hah, actually I'm not an administrator, just an editor who happens to specialize in counter-vandalism. Vectro 20:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

As you can see from the conversation on my talk page, Xoloz (talk · contribs) closed the request for undeletion early (and without concensus). It's tempting to fight the establishment on this issue to get the articles undeleted, but I think the best thing is probably to simply recreate them, and properly cite the source -- put {{NHC}} at the top of the page, and provide a citation to the original source at the bottom. I think it's unlikely anyone would delete the page a second time if the source is properly cited. Cheers, Vectro 01:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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VT-10, VT-86 redux.

Hi there- There are two articles the VT-10 and VT-86 that i would like to have searchable...right now, the person that built the Vermont Road series of entries has everything going to those...most people who will be searching these two squadrons, will search by VT-10, and VT-86....can we do a disambiguition page for these so that whoever searches will at least get a choice of where they go...? if so, how do i construct one?Bondo 18:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any disambiguation page for VT-86, presumably since there's no Vermont Route 86. But I have created a page VT-10 which links to Vermont Route 10 without being a redirect there. Feel free to add article text to VT-10 and VT-86, and, as always, let me know if you have any questions. Cheers, Vectro 19:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Good baseline article to use for future squadron articles

When creating a flying squadron article in the future take a look at VMFA-314 as a pretty good baseline article when looking for a format. It will look a bit sharper and save you the hassle of figuring out where to put all of the info. Also a good idea to go with a full prose section vice bulleting everything in a history section. There are also a host of good Navy squadron articles as well. User:Wilsbadkarma is the resident go to guy for these. Drop him a line and I am sure he will help you out. Cheers--02:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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