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Proposed deletion of WHO MADE JAMES BOWIE'S FAMOUS KNIVES--THE TRUE STORY

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Hi Beaveroregon, and welcome to Wikipedia! I saw your article on the making of James Bowie's knife. I wrote a large part of the James Bowie article, and I'm always interested in finding new information/sources that may not have been included in the article before. However, I wanted to make sure that you understood what kinds of content Wikipedia accepts, and what it doesn't.

Essentially, a Wikipedia article is supposed to represent a good balance of information that has been previously reported in independent, third-party reliable sources. Wikipedia articles are not supposed to include original research, including synthesis of ideas from any independent, reliable sources. We're supposed to cover what the sources do, and nothing more than that. All information is also supposed to be verifiable, usually meaning it has been appropriately cited so that we know which scholars/reports/etc held which opinions. That means that it's not really appropriate to reproduce portions of any essays or papers that any of us wrote in real life, because those are usually intended to draw new conclusions, or put data together in different ways.

That said, I suspect that in your research for your paper you may have found some interesting facts that could be useful in the articles on either James Bowie, Rezin Bowie, or the Sandbar Fight. I encourage you to look at these articles and see if some of your research (if not your conclusions) would be appropriate to include. I suspect that a lot of the information may already be in those articles, just sourced to different books, but if there are gaps we really should fix them.

If you have any questions on what information would be appropriate to include, how to include it with the right citations, or anything else, feel free to as on my talk page, on the talk page of whichever article you think would benefit from the information, or on the talk pages of any other experienced Wikipedian. Most of us are happy to help - I made a lot of mistakes as a new editor and was grateful for the advice I was given, so I'm always willing to return the favor. Good luck! I hope you enjoy editing here. Karanacs (talk) 16:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Dear Karen: I am 90 years old and I am having a dickens of a time trying to figure out how to convince everyone that my Bowie knife story is unique. And I have a poor memory, so if you get this message I will be very surprised. Anyway, my story of the the Bowie knife fit in perfectly with your intest in Texas history. Karen, my story should be accepted as a separate article from the current Bowie knife stories in Wikipedia. But I do not understand how to submit it/

My story is based on facts or references not found by other researchers and Bowie aficionados. It would be ideal if I could mail you a copy of it, for I just cannot comprehend the instructions in Wikipedia. If you could read my story I honestly believe you would instantly see its value. I feel positive that my references are irrefutable. My mailing address is Clarence W. Jacobs, 775 NE 27th St., McMinnvile, Oregon. My e-mail address is cwjacobs1@juno.com

My Bowie knife story was published in the BACKWOODSMAN magazine in 2004. The editor, Charlie Richie, told me that he received "tons of responses" and that virtually all were in my favor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beaveroregon (talk • contribs)

That's wonderful that you got your information published in a magazine! That means it can be used to source some of the facts/conclusions that you presented in your paper. Wikipedia doesn't publish separate articles on one topic though - we call those content forks, and they are highly discouraged. Instead, we want each topic to reflect a survey of all the opinions on that topic. So this information would be very useful in Bowie knife, or the other articles I mentioned, to make sure that those articles accurately reflect all the information available. That way, when someone goes to the article on Bowie knife, for example, they'll be able to see all the theories as to how the knife was created, etc, and won't have to hunt across different pages to find that information. Is there an online copy of the magazine article? If so, I'd be happy to take a look at it and see if I can incorporate its information into the other articles, properly sourced back to your article. Karanacs (talk) 20:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC) P.S. I would recommend that you take your personal information off the page so that it is not misused. Karanacs (talk) 20:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)