User talk:Aivazovsky/Archive 3

Nakhichevan

Done. Khoikhoi 00:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there a consensus on the talk page? Khoikhoi 00:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

But if I unprotect it, won't the edit warring resume? Khoikhoi 00:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'll unprotect it, and if the edit warring starts up again, I'll re-protect it. Cheers, Khoikhoi 00:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

What's the dispute about this time? Khoikhoi 05:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Well done. I like the choices very much; however, I propose we change the photos of Andranik, Bayrakdarian, Mashtots and Petrosian. I know of much better ones for all four. I'll show the photos to you later tonight so you can implement the changes. -- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 00:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Here we go for Bayrakdarian, I suggest you use of these two:[1], [2]. for Andranik either this [3] or this [4] (I mainly object to the non-Armenian hat he's wearing on the current photo). I changed my mind about changing Petrosian's photo.

I couldn't find a better illustration of Mashtots, I think the current one really sucks though. Consider replacing Mashtots altogether with Vartan Mamikonian,...Another thing that bugs me is that we have so many artists and no scientists there, I wish Victor Hambartsumian was there...-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 15:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

This [5] and this [6] can both be used with PD-Russia. As for Mashtots, the current image really blows, so just try to find a better one (not the statue) or if not you can always replace him with Vartan or even St. Isaac. If there is no alternative for Andranik then replace him with Victor.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 21:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

So you don't want to replace Andranik with Hambartsumian? As for Isabelle's current photo, my edit patterns should help you figure that one out.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 23:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Nope. Let's just say she looks better in the other ones. So there are 9 people now? Who's the 9th, Vartan? -- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 00:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Armenia

Hello Aivazovsky, as a contributor to the Flag of Armenia article, I invite you to review the article. If you have time, please comment on it. Thank you.--Crzycheetah 20:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Could you please convert this image to svg. Thanks, --Crzycheetah 05:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Nakhichevan (2)

I think I have a solution. We can use your version, but we can also quote from the HRW (or Weisbrode or Croissant). How does that sound? Khoikhoi 06:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyways, my point is that we should state what the sources say, and if we don't have any sources that say it was unprovoked, then we shouldn't say that. Khoikhoi 06:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea to me. I hope GM agrees... Khoikhoi 05:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if you still need it but here's an excerpt:

"Armenia denied its troops had crossed into the Nakhichevan region. It acknowledged that Armenian forces had punched through a corridor linking Armenia and the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh and that convoys of supplies and wounded were now travelling along it.

"The Armenians do not react to diplomatic pressure. It's vital to speak to them in a language they understand," Rza Ibadov, Nakhichevan's foreign minister, told the ITAR-Tass news agency."

...

"Mr. Ibadov, speaking to the agency from the Turkish capital Ankara, said Armenian fighters had pressed their offensive into Nakhichevan for the second consecutive day and controlled two strategic peaks. He said Armenia's aim in the region was to seize control of Nakhichevan.

Mr. Ibadov said fierce battles were raging around the town of Sadarak and residents had been moved out of villages near the scene. He appealed to Ankara to accommodate the overflow of injured residents in Turkish hospitals."

-"Azeri minister asks Turkey to send weapons Border region of Nakhichevan seeks help to counter Armenian threat". Reported by Reuters News Agency, wire carried by the Globe and Mail (Canada) on May 20, 1992. pg. A.10. --MarshallBagramyan 19:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Question

Hello Aivazovsky I was wondering if Artsvashen city should also be included in the template called Cities and Towns in Armenia the template that shows under every Armenian cities? I thought it should be included because it is officially Armenian city and part of Gegharkunik province of Armenia. I am having a hard time editing that template, can you please help me add Artsvashen or if you could do it that would be fine with me. ROOB323 19:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding. ROOB323 19:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Request

Hey Aivazovsky,

I reverted an edit by Canerguclu (talk · contribs) on the Azerbaijani language article, and then he asked me for an explanation. Upon looking more closely, I have to say that he made some good points. For example, the Kars region was home to many civilizations in addition to Armenia—right? Then again, hasn't the area where the Ayrum dialect is spoken become part of Azerbaijan recently? I was wondering if you could look into this, and perhaps give me your opinion on the matter. Thanks, Khoikhoi 02:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Khoikhoi 22:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I copied what you said word-for-word. :-) [7] Khoikhoi 01:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hye

Hyeran kosem as? Let me tell you one thing, cha lus as, deep dark baner as martik gidam, i support peace ;-) i love history and i will continue to add articles pertaining to the middle east or Caucasia. My references are bold, at mart eh kaplaneh turker hamer akchantum believe me bro i did my own research ;-D. Nareklm 00:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey on this article Battle of Oltu you put Armenian victory may i ask how? any references? Nareklm 02:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well there's no refs in English my fault. Nareklm 02:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. Nareklm 03:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey i added new stuff on Akhurian River a history section you think we can make an article out of the history about a battle? it was against the Greeks great battle it is said but i don't know what to put for the title. Nareklm 03:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello Aivazovsky. It's me again

Hi Aivazovsky. OttomanReference asked me if we should merge Armenakan Party and Ramgavar Party together and in the history section mention that they were both the same party until 1921 when Armenakan Party becme known as Ramgavar Party. I agree with him, but I just wanted to ask your opinion what you think about the merger. ROOB323 03:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Deletion nominations withdrawn

All done. Khoikhoi 00:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem is, I can't really think of any suggestions at the moment, plus I'm starting to get more and more busy in real life. Maybe you could get a formal mediation? Khoikhoi 08:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Your comments as personal attack

Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people as you did at Nakhichevan, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. Must^TC 07:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Please provide the diffs regarding the alleged personal attack. Posting missleading warnings on users talk pages can also be interpreted as a personal attack.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 20:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Saints

Hi. Have u seen this? Hectorian 18:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

In fact this category is placed in the category "Turkish people". It is clearly an anachronism, caused, perhaps, by geographic confusion. There is already the "Category:Byzantine saints" (which is also placed in that one), in which all of them can be placed, but a category "Saints from Asia Minor or Anatolia" would also be OK. Lets wait to see Khoikhoi's ideas on the matter. Regards Hectorian 19:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to be an admin to rename a category. Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page states, "To change the name of a category, one needs to change all category tags, and copy the editable part." Therefore, you can simply create Category:Saints from Anatolia, and use it to replace Category:Turkish saints. Cheers, Khoikhoi 23:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Well done Aivazovsky:). I've added the page in my watchlist. Cheers! Hectorian 23:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you and allow me to say that I share your sentiments. Constructive cooperation between Armenians and Turks is what Hrant Dink asked for... Regards, --Free smyrnan 03:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Iğdır Province

Sorry, I pressed the "rollback" button by mistake! Khoikhoi 03:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Georgians, Saingilo

Hey. Thanks for letting me know. I made some factual and NPOV corrections in the article. Best, --Kober 05:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hrant Dink

Hello! I understand the concern the death of Hrant Dink has brought to you. That is why I am just leaving a reminder that fair use images should be used exclusively in the article namespace while, in other situations, I would have removed it. After a prudential time, please consider just linking to his article, as keeping the image in your user page may encourage others to do the same and, while it is a good tribute, it goes against one of our core policies. Thank you, and stay safe. -- ReyBrujo 18:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Today's featured picture

Hey i found a awesome picture of an Khachkar i contacted the copyright holder he allows me to use it and ill email wikipedia for an confirmation just in case its amazing can we get it up there [8]? Nareklm 00:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Huh? lol i meant on the wikipedia main page where the todays featured picture is. Nareklm 00:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

By the way please keep an eye on Qazakh there trying to remove the hye side. Nareklm 01:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Justin McCarthy

There was a similar debate about this at Talk:Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878). I'll check it out when I can, but try inviting other users as well. Khoikhoi 03:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hrant Dink

Dear Cleve, my condolences for the loss of such a great man. This loss is a strong blow for the Armenian nation however, his dedication and believe in justice and incorruptible historical truth will leave on for decades to come. His vision is shared by many and his death will intensify the struggle against the revisionists of historical reality and ultra-chauvinism in any society. My deep condolences to the Armenian nation. Thanks for your massage, best regards. Ldingley 16:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Atlas

As you are a regular creator and uploader of maps to the commons, you might be interested to join the WikiProject Atlas at commons.wikimedia.org. I would like to invite you to join the project. Electionworld Talk? 08:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

maps

Hey Aivazovsky, can you pleaseeeee give me your real name :) I wanted to ask you if you know anyone from armenia.org? I like their maps of Armenia and wanted to use them for Wiki articles. Can you ask them for the permission? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Best. Ldingley 22:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Martuni, Armenia

Hello, can you please add Martuni, Armenia to the "Cities and Towns in Armenia" template thanks. Sorry if I keep asking you to add cities in that template it's just that I don't know how to do it. ROOB323 04:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ROOB323 08:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you put it back since I cant?

Urartu image in Military_history_of_Armenia. Please put the image back. Thanks. 216.175.96.172 22:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

By the way if we leave the image he will leave the article alone unless you want it locked, we can take it out later, because he is going to keep on putting it. Nareklm 01:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Nvm its fine now. Nareklm 01:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Its about time

Congrats, I'd give you another one if I hadn't already.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 15:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I received your email

I am just taking some time and trying to distance myself a little from the event. Maybe I'll attempt collecting my thoughts on what it meant for Turkey in terms of change this weekend. Sorry for the delay and thanks for asking. Regards, --Free smyrnan 00:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hello Aivazovsky! Thank you very much for the award. --Crzycheetah 08:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Qazakh

I've protected the article due to edit warring. Khoikhoi 02:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Qazakh

I've left a short comment there. Khoikhoi 08:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello Aivazovsky. I just noticed your message on my WP talk page. Being very busy in real life, I’m currently not active on Wikipedia. I’ll try to find out other Caucasus-related publications authored by Andrew Andersen. I still think that the best solution is to contact Andersen himself and request the sources he used for his description of the division of Qazakh. Best, Kober^Talk 10:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Congrats

Hey, Ayvazovsky. Just wanted to congratulate on your barnstar. Sorry, couldn't do it at the time it was awarded.--TigranTheGreat 01:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words Tigran, but I'm still waiting for an apology from you regarding your behavior towards me on the Shushi/Shusha talk page. -- Aivazovsky 01:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure, buddy, sorry about what happened there:) You know, when we both said things that we didn't mean.--TigranTheGreat 01:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Being a fellow Armenian, I knew you'd come around...eventually...;) -- Aivazovsky 02:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem:) You should always be proud of your part-Turkic ancestry.--TigranTheGreat 02:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

But I'm not Turkish, I'm Hungarian. Hungarians are Finno-Ugric peoples whose languages derive from Uralic (NOT Altaic which would be Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic). By your classification Finns and Estonians are supposedly Turks too. It appears as though you haven't learned anything. -- Aivazovsky 02:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I was just teasing you :) So, how have you been?--TigranTheGreat 02:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No, you know what, I'm tired of this. I'm proud of being part Hungarian as well as Armenian. If you can't accept that then don't give me any sort of "congrats" because I know that it's insincere. -- Aivazovsky 02:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

How do you know I was insincere? I don't have problem with your Hungarian ancestry.--TigranTheGreat 02:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't appreciate anybody "teasing" me about my ethnic background. -- Aivazovsky 02:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I was teasing you about our debate back in December.--TigranTheGreat 02:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Just don't tease me about anything. -- Aivazovsky 02:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Why not? We Armenians do it all the time.--TigranTheGreat 02:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Ask for a favor

Hi! Since you are an experienced wikipedian and an English native speaker:

I am going to nominate film director Abbas Kiarostami for GA/FA soon. It is now under peer review. Kiarostami is a notable figure in Asian cinema. It would be great if you could take a look at it and comment on it. Thanks and have a nice day.Sangak 17:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

In case you are interested here is a masterpiece of Azeri/Armenian/Persian music entitled "Endless vision" (2007 Grammy award nominee). Take care.Sangak 17:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :-), Jivan Gasparyan's performance is fantastic. Sangak 17:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Thanks! your's is great to what it symbolizes its unique, cheers. Artaxiad 15:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

What do you think? [9] Artaxiad 00:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Armenians

Hello. You participated in the edit war here today, with two reverts and no attempts at communication on the talk page. Please pursue dispute resolution, using only polite discussion and not excessive reverts in the future. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 05:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Could you please email me? There is no way to communicate with you. Fad (ix) 16:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Armenians

Hello. You participated in the edit war here today, with two reverts and no attempts at communication on the talk page. Please pursue dispute resolution, using only polite discussion and not excessive reverts in the future. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 05:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I left this message earlier and you deleted it. Let me repeat, engaging in sterile reverting across many pages is unproductive. When you have disputes with others, you must use dispute resolution, and not engage in edit warring. In particular, taking advantage of your opponents' blocks to revert all their last edits is not acceptable: [10], [11], [12], [13], [14]. Referring to another editor's edits as "vandalism" as you did here is inappropriate and constitutes incivility. Furthermore, comments like "Watch for Adil." show that you have the wrong attitude. Wikipedia is not a battleground, please read WP:NOT#BATTLEGROUND, and a hostile approach is counterproductive. When you return from the block, please make sure you try dispute resolution and mediate your disputes rather than confrontational edit warring. Dmcdevit·t 23:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Aivazovsky (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I request that I be unblocked because I was already leaving Wikipedia before User:Dmcdevit placed the notification on my user page. No academic sources take this website seriously and its becoming increasingly clear to me that in cases such as the Armenian-Azeri conflict, it's become used as a base for forwarding ethnic bias and tension. I don't want to contribute on Wikipedia anymore. I'd rather do something productive with my time. All the best, Aivazovsky 00:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You have not been blocked directly. Please follow these instructions. It's also worth noting that Wikipedia deliberately does not attempt to be a reliable source. -- Yamla 00:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

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I'm confused on two counts. First, I'm not sure how this makes sense -- if you want to leave, why are you requesting unblocking? Second, I don't see any blocks in your block log -- if you're blocked, it's probably through your IP address or an autoblock (if you copy-paste the {{unblock-auto}} template generated on the "you're blocked" page you'll see when trying to edit when blocked, that should be enough information to resolve that). – Luna Santin (talk) 00:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as how I can't edit any articles outside of my user talk page, I would say that I've been blocked (actually auto blocked). I want to be unblocked so I can remove myself from all the WikiProjects I joined. -- Aivazovsky 00:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

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Aivazovsky email me

You should not leave Wikipedia; and if I asked you to email me it was not because I wanted to blame you for something. You obviously have a place here. Anyway, please email me. Fad (ix) 00:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Stay

Hey Aivazovsky, please re-consider your decision. Your work on Armenian related articles is some of the best and WikiProject Armenia would be losing one of its hardest working contributers :( You really have your place here in Wikipedia. I don't know if all this sounds convincing or not բայց պետք ունի Հայաստանը քեզի ընկեր: - Fedayee 02:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Aivazovsky. You should not leave. This happened to many people, come back after your block expires and we'll try to resolve our differences. Take care. Grandmaster 05:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Do stay, I think you have good contributions to make still. --Free smyrnan 06:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration

I have opened an arbitration case regarding the current editing dispute you've been involved in. Please make a statement at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Armenia-Azerbaijan concerning the conflict with the other parties listed. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 10:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

How can I make a statement when I'm still autoblocked? -- Aivazovsky 12:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I just unblocked you. Dmcdevit·t 16:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Qazakh

Well, I simply won't let him remove the maps unless he has specific reasons on why he wants to remove them. Just saying they're "unreliable" isn't good enough. Also, as you said, we don't have to use Andersen on that page; we could go with your compromise proposal (which I think is fine). BTW, check your email. Khoikhoi 10:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry

Since it is your first RfAr cases, you might be threatned on what might happen. Creat a subpage in your talk to prepare the evidences you will be submitting. Feel free to ask my input on them. Fad (ix) 23:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Kiarostami: FAC

Hi

I would like to invite all those who reviewed "Abbas Kiarostami" during last two months to comment on the article at this "final" stage. The article is now featured article candidate. In case you have any comment, please let me know on the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Abbas Kiarostami page. Thanks.Sangak 16:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 18:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

You may add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Evidence, and make proposals regarding the case outcome on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Workshop. Please do not edit the final decision section of the main case page. The final decision will only be added after it has been voted on and made official by the arbitraotrs. Thatcher131 19:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Clarification on Thatcher131 comment, the finding of facts are done by the arbitrators, you provide evidences they find the facts, do so on the evidence page. Fad (ix) 19:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

You are not supposed to answer other peoples evidence in their evidence section. The evidence section is only for evidence purpouses not to defende oneself, you will have the occasion to do so. Fad (ix) 00:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Qazakh

I've left a note on Atabek's talk page. Check your email for something unrelated. Khoikhoi 10:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Notice of Arbitration Committee injunction

The Arbitration Committee has adopted a temporary injunction in the case of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan, in which you have been named as a party. The injunction provides: Until the conclusion of this case, all parties are restricted to one content revert per article per day, and each content revert must be accompanied by a justification on the relevant talk page. Violators may be blocked for up to 24 hours. The case remains open for the submission of evidence or proposals. This notice is given by a Clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad 00:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

LOOK DUDE!!!

Leave AdilBaguirov toying with articles, utill this cases close, don't touch any Azeri neither Armenian related articles. He knows he'll be blocked idefinitly and will be attempting to get as much users with him. Fad (ix) 06:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Armenian copyright law

Tsitsernakaberd image got deleted again. The copyright law of Armenia

Article 25. Use of Works Located in Open for Attendance Places

"Without the consent of the author and without remuneration it shall be permitted to reproduce, broadcast for non-commercial purposes works of architecture, photography or figurative arts located in open for attendance places."

here is the entire copyright law. [15] Vartanm 18:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Treaty of Kars

Please revert yourself before you get blocked (partial reverts count as well). Khoikhoi 04:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Warmongering?

You wrote: And no Armenians are not warmongers. I could say that the Finns are (on Karelia), but I don't think that its right to go around insulting ethnic groups or falsely accusing them of wanting war. That's the last thing the Armenians really want, especially with Turkey. If this did happen then Armenia would cease to exist. -- Aivazovsky 03:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC) [16]

You may have misunderstood me. I am not saying Armenians are warmongers. On the contrary, I am saying that they are not! I do feel that the ProKarelia people and their ilk are mongers on some kind. Rejecting the Treaty of Kars is also a form of mongering. I did not think any Armenian minister would take this view. Some Armenian editors, however seem to claim so. -- Petri Krohn 04:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Armenians

Hello

Take a look here [17], please. Parishan 07:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks

I don't know whatever I did it for the Armenian editors or rather against AdilBaguirov, probably the later. I tried helping Grandmaster out also, he does not want to listen to me. Adil has a very bad influence on him. Take the situation as if you are on a court. Someone is accused of a crime and the evidences are just too strong, and then another person is accused of complicity. How do you think the judge will take it, if that person accused of complicity start justifying the acts, make it as there was nothing wrong and even defending the person mainly accused. The evidence used against the main accused will harm the person who refuse to dissociate himself from that person and once one is sentenced he will bring down with him that person who justified his acts. Refusing to accept you did something wrong will get you a much harsher sentence. Fad (ix) 16:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Azeri-Related Articles

Hi Aivazovsky,

I would like to know why you removed links to the Azeris in Armenia article from Blue Mosque, Yerevan and Erivan khanate. The first one clearly states that the mosque mostly served the needs of Yerevan's Azeri community. In the second one it says, that Azeris were one of the two major ethnicities in the khanate. Both articles are explicitly Azeri-themed. So why remove it? Parishan 01:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Dude stop reverting are you forgetting our rule?! Artaxiad 14:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Azeris in Armenia

Sigh, another conflict. :-( What is the main issue this time? Khoikhoi 02:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

BTW, can you please check out the bottom of Talk:Ani? Thanks, Khoikhoi 00:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you serious? That's something I've never heard before... Khoikhoi 00:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Award

I don't know if your last change was intentional, but I have just reverted it. The name and user account did not match. LittleOldMe 11:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Qazakh

I am glad that there is an attempt for resolution on Qazakh, and I wish all of this was addressed on talk page. But there are some issues to be resolved, and I am waiting for Khoikhoi's response on that. Namely, I agree to Azerbaijani exclaves of Barkhudarli and Yuxari Askipara being mentioned as military controlled, instead of occupied, but specific reference should be made that the State Department, UN SC resolutions, PACE and CoE reports do spell the word "occupied".

Regarding Andersen, I cannot agree, I am sorry. If his credibility is not legible for this article, I don't see why he would qualify for having his invented maps decorate other pages. So, specifically his map will have to go away from Azerbaijan Democratic Republic page as being simply fake and unsubstantiated. Instead, I propose using the map of ADR presented to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919. I guess the Armenian side can do the same for the DRA page. These are conflicting maps, but at least the posting of each sides official maps reflects their respective views at that time, and will let the reader take an impartial view. Since neither ADR nor DRA were de-jure recognized within certain borders, that could be a good compromise. And I leave it up to Georgian side to accept or reject this, they can continue showing Andersen's map if they want to. I do have body of material at hand to substantiate that Georgia claimed the Lori district from Armenia and that, the Georgian takeover of Borchaly, Azerbaijan initially complained to Georgia then simply gave in (per Hajinski) for the sake of alliance. There is no evidence about Zaqtala district.Atabek 14:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's leave emotions aside and concentrate on resolution. Yes, Paris Peace conference map presents the claims of ADR, but so does the Paris Peace conference map of Armenia present the claims of DRA. So if you accuse Azerbaijani side of allegedly "attempting to take over Caucasus", same can apply to Armenia vice versa. Since neither side was recognized, and since Andersen's map is simply untrue and unsubstantiated, the best compromise might be just presenting both maps and saying this was ADR view and this was DRA view, and neither side's position was recognized since final borders were not demarcated. I think that's a fair approach. Mikkalai's opinion is quite relevant to revealing the fact that Andersen does not qualify as a scholar. His position vs Ldingley is none of concern on Qazakh topic. Atabek 14:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Georgian users are welcome to claim what they like as well. But the evidence should be substantiated by scholars and NPOV sources. An adventurist Canadian blogger, allegedly fired from University for racism against Muslims, and not having a single publication in any reputable or non-reputable journal or conference, simply is not acceptable for encyclopedic material. In addition, he is also not acceptable for his proven racist (thus biased) stance to Azerbaijani side. Atabek 14:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Again, Mikkalai's view of Ldingley is irrelevant, given the fact that references Mikkalai presented are verifiable.

You should never say "I will never agree", that does not really show your interest in having compromise. As I said, instead of having biased and fake map taking one of the sides against the other or coloring territories randomly, we should have just everyone present their view of the story on their respective page: DRA MFA map on DRA page and ADR MFA map on ADR page. I have access to both maps, if you can find them. My objective is not to show part of Armenia was Azerbaijan or vice versa and start arguments over it, when neither side was recognized de jure anyway. My objective is to rid Wikipedia of unqualified and adventurist blogger's reference, which has no encylopedic or scholarly basis whatsoever, plus taking sides. And if you think Andersen map is fair you should not, it misrepresents and simply lies about many claims of control on Georgian-Armenian issue as well, and not to Armenian favor. But the bulk of Andersen's fake map scribbles is directed against Azerbaijan.Atabek 15:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for revealing your uncompromising position on that one. I don't think we should go back and forth on this, "I agree" - "I disagree". As I said, Andersen was disqualified as scholar, so he should be out not just of Qazakh references, but from any page which uses him as reference per view of editors. I guess, I will wait for Khoikhoi and request separate arbitration on Andersen issue specifically. Mikkalai's evidence as well as those presented by myself and AdilBaguirov should serve as a good basis for ridding Wikipedia of Andersen's adventurist and proven racist POV. Atabek 15:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't see a point for your argument, as DRA map for Paris Peace Conference also reflects the extensive designs of Armenia upon Azerbaijan similarly. Or maybe you're concerned about Wilsonian map being revealed which recognized whole of Elisavetpol governorate as part of Azerbaijan. We can show that one as well. Those are legitimate maps made at the time and presented at conferences and official meetings. Andersen's invention is made 100 years later and not based on historical research. Khoikhoi is already on the case and you're welcome to invite Kober, I don't see why he would disagree posting the official maps of DRG, especially because Georgia unlike Armenia and Azerbaijan was recognized de-jure in 1921. Atabek 15:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Andersen

As a compromise, why don't we include both? Khoikhoi 07:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops, never mind then. Khoikhoi 01:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll check it out, but please revert yourself first. Remember the revert parole... Khoikhoi 22:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Famous Armenians.png listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Famous Armenians.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Abu badali ^(talk) 01:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Image of, Armenians from Van in 1895, [18] Artaxiad 02:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Block

Hi Aivazovsky, you have been reported for violating the ArbCom "1RR + Talk" injunction, and I have blocked you for 24 hours. I am sure you understand that strictly following ArbCom decisions is vital for Wikipedia to succeed. Please try to adhere to the rules when you return to editing. Thanks, Crum375 22:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I have unblocked you, as you have reverted yourself. Please be more careful next time. Thanks, Crum375 22:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but I still can't edit anything. -- Aivazovsky 23:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Try again. Khoikhoi 23:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Qazakh

User:AdilBaguirov provided a substantial body of material with references. Please, address those on the talk page ASAP and discuss for compromise. Otherwise, it's not good to hold the page blocked for such a long time. Thanks. Atabek 00:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Armenian terrorism

I know, see User talk:Khoikhoi#Blackmailing a la Wiki style and User talk:Doktor Gonzo#Black mailing. He wasn't aware of WP:WTA and has no problem with it being renamed. Khoikhoi 01:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

Blocked: I have blocked you for reverting the article Treaty of Kars twice in less than 24 hours and without discussing the changes, in violation of your revert parole imposed at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan#Temporary_injunction. Thatcher131 18:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Khachkar destruction

You deleted this article without discussion again. However I think that to resolve the dispute I can agree to leave that article as a redirect, if you agree to keep the khachkar issue at the article about Julfa and not to create any new POV fork articles on the same topic. The article about Nakhichevan should include a brief description of controversy. What do you think? Grandmaster 06:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ardahan Province

Hi Aivazovsky. An anon keeps changing "Democratic Republic of Armenia" to "Democratic Republic of Georgia" in the Ardahan Province article. Do you have any sources for the former? Khoikhoi 20:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

khachkar destruction

ok, I agree on redirect on condition that you will finally stop Artaxiad from multiplying conflict related pages. Otherwise it does not make sense - we can reach agreement, as once we did with you, but he continue his activity. At least for Khachkar problem we should also delete section on page Nakhchevan [19] or put redirect. Also Artaxiad put that dispute on page "Cultural genocide", as usually supported by Fadix. Otherwise, without these two users we can't reach agreement. At least, I am not bound to that.--Dacy69 21:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I don't want to reopen the AfD. It's had a week, and I don't think that if it continued to be debated, it would result in deletion. If you want to get it reviewed you can look at Wikipedia:Deletion review. I took your proposal into account - though it was added after the expiry date on the AfD. - Richard Cavell 00:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

anti-Hezbollah userbox

User:Aivazovsky, would you consider removing your anti-Hezbollah userbox from your userpage? I share your opinion about Hezbollah, however this is irrelevant to Wikipedia, and is being used as a justification for other users to retain pro-Hezbollah userboxes. Isn't i best for us to keep our views about contentious subjects to ourselves?Proabivouac 23:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Khachkar destruction

Hi. Please see Talk:Khachkar destruction#This_article. - Richard Cavell 04:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Georgia WikiProject

Please check out the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Georgia_.28country.29

Thank you so much for your work to improve my rough start! Chris 17:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Batum

Actually, neither. It was called Batum District (Батумский округ) and it was part of Kutaisi Governorate. Parishan 22:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Maps

Hi Aivazovsky. Sorry for a late reply. I had been offline for several days. I see several of Andersen’s Georgia maps have also been deleted. I’m trying to figure out what is going on here. Best, Kober^Talk 06:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

Blocked: 36 hours for 1RR parole violation here; you are required to explain reversions on the talk page. Thatcher131 00:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Aivazovsky (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I request that my block be lifted or at least shortened. I only reverted this article once so I fail to see how I could have violated the 1RR parole. I wasn't aware that discussing reverts was part of the parole. Also, if I should have been blocked, it should have been close to the time of my edit. In this case, I made that edit on March 25 and wasn't blocked until March 27. If my action was so severe then why wasn't I blocked immediately? -- Aivazovsky 01:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Not only is it very clearly laid out in the injunction ("Until the conclusion of this case, all parties are restricted to one content revert per article per day, and each content revert must be accompanied by a justification on the relevant talk page"), but I can count three times this specific instruction has been mentioned on your talk page. I don't see how the timing is relevant. Kuru ^talk 01:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Sigh. Can I at least be unblocked to comment on the ArbCom's decision? -- Aivazovsky 11:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

If you have a comment that you believe needs to be posted immediately, type an appropriate comment here, and a clerk will copy it to the proposed decision talk page. Newyorkbrad 11:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure. -- Aivazovsky 12:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Doing it now. Newyorkbrad 12:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Real quick, could you change this line "I think that the best solution for to this issue" to "I think that the best solution for this issue"? Thanks! -- Aivazovsky 12:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

My thoughts on the decision

I hope that the arbitrators will read my comments and take them into consideration. While I agree with the ArbCom on most of their decisions, I feel that there are some parts of their decision should be revisited.

First of all, I believe that a one year block for User:AdilBaguirov won't solve anything because he'll just return after the block has expired and cause more trouble. I think that the best solution for to this issue would be to indefinitely block Adil from Wikipedia. Secondly, I feel that User:Eupator and User:Fedayee should be granted reduced sentences from one year blocks to revert paroles. In all fairness, Fedayee had very little involvement in Armenian-Azeri issues until this whole dispute sprung up and Eupator made some very positive contributions to Wikipedia (especially on WikiProject Armenia and Portal:Armenia) that should not be overlooked. Both of these users have done more good to Wikipedia than bad. I actually think that User:TigranTheGreat (who has made offensive comments towards users on a few occasions) deserves a one year block more than either of these users. I'm not sure where I stand on the verdict of User:Fadix as I haven't paid too much attention to his edits.

I agree on the rest of the decisions. My own revert parole will keep me disciplined while editing Wikipedia. All the best, Aivazovsky 12:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your support Aivaz! - Fedayee 23:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

kirovobad

Hi. Artaxiad eventually recreated page Kirovobad Pogrom. Our deal is no more valid if only he will not step back again with this issue. As I told you that I see no point to multiply conflict-related pages but apparently other users think differently.--Dacy69 14:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The New Central Asia project page

Hi

I revised (a bit radically) the navigation system of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Central Asia. You are a member of the project, I would appreciate if you would compare with the old page and give a feedback on the talk page. I am asking this because an old member of the project expressed concerns. Thanks. cs 22:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked for 24 hours for violation of your revert parole at Karki (Azerbaijan). You are required to give a talk page rationale for each content revert, which you failed to do, and for which you have been blocked before. Dmcdevit·t 17:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

To Satisfy Your Curiosity

Hrant Dink did not ever ask the Turkish government nor the Turkish people to recognize the so-called genocide. Instead he always said that a tragedy had taken place during the Ottoman times. "I call it a genocide of Armenians, but it is not important what the name is. The fact that people of these lands can draw the same lessons, feeling the same sorrow over the same events is important," he said because he knew both Turks and Armenians suffered in this tragedy. He was a good man, who worked hard to recreate the bonds of friendship between Armenians and Turks, that have been weakened as a result of Armenian diaspora's efforts. As an Armenian American, do you know how he blamed you (the Diaspora) for standing against a peace between Turks and Armenians? Just curious... --Scientia Potentia 19:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

WPAM

Ok, I agree with you. So you want me to go and take out all the WPAM from the Van, Kars, Erzerum, Arapgir, Artvin articles? ROOB323 20:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, same to you. I'll go and take them out. ROOB323 20:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

invite

Hello! I thought you may be interested in joining WikiProject Kurdistan. We work on creating, expanding and making general changes to Kurdistan related articles. If you would be interested in joining feel free to visit the Project Page!. Thank You.

--Bohater 21:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

igdir

Please check [20]. I think I only changed Aras to Aras+ Arpacay, among the things you mentioned on the talk page. The link to the municipality was deleted, I restored that. I added several info like cotton being grown there, and some info from other Wiki articles like Erivan khanate and Armenian oblast, the other ones are minor edits. I can remove Arpacay, I am going to restore the removed ref that I noticed now, ethnic cleansing is OR, there. deniz^T_C 22:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

You just reverted me, please revert yourself, you can keep ethnic cleansing. The population stats are from TUIK, formerly known as DIE, Turkish Statistics Institute. deniz^T_C 22:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Please revert yourself, I will add the Kurdish majority information, and ethnic cleansing. In the mean time, let me find the website for pop stats. I downloaded some time ago the Excel file to update the population stats for all the provinces in Turkey. deniz^T_C

the direct link to the file (has extension .do, change it to .xls) : [21]. It's on this website, the last item (İllere göre yıl ortası nüfus projeksiyonları). deniz^T_C 22:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, Artaxiad Aivazovsky, this comment of mine was not for you (from an edit summary): "please do not ask for discussion on talk without you discussing first, before your revert. cleanup". Thanks for the consensus at least between the two of us. deniz^T_C 23:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Lol, sorry for that, Aivazovsky. deniz^T_C 23:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I apologize if I added to your frustrations. The thing is don't be bothered by what's happening in Wikipedia. Wikipedia editors (Turkish, Armenian, or any other nationality) does not have to reflect the nationality. I think 'vandals' are overrepresented in Wikipedia, as people usually need some reason to be an editor and vandals have their reason (I am not claiming that any of the people you mentioned were vandals). Also, editors might become more of a hardliner after several discussions. I guess/hope that as time passes, the vandals will decrease, not just by leaving wiki but also by changing for the good (more often than 'normal' people becoming vandals), I have such high hopes, that's why I am not so sad having joined late. deniz^T_C 23:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

An idea for you

If you never revert at all, but always take it to Talk, you won't be accused of violating your ArbCom sanction. Guy (Help!) 15:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Accepted

I am sure you weren't yourself, it is not the kind of attitude I would expect from a long term Wikipedian like you. Still, it takes character to make the apology you did, I accept it.--Doktor Gonzo 17:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Բարի Զատիկ

Happy Easter Aivazovsky, krisdos haryav i merelots. - Fedayee 18:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Bedros Kapamajian

Hi! I took a look at the article in question. You are aware that the Y.G.Çark reference is Yervant Gomidas Çarkcıyan, right? I possess a 2006 re-publication of the book which I previously used in other articles to cite from. I can check the citation there very easily, if such a check is considered valid in this particular debate. On the other hand, you specifically did not want Armenian or Turkish sources, so perhaps a book in Turkish published by an Armenian Catholic priest is not considered good enough? I'm a little confused here, so if you can elaborate a little on what the controversy is, I would appreciate it. What is being disputed? Kapamajian's existence or details on the facts? Regards, --13:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I checked the book and the info from the book is here. As for assessing the credibility, I have no idea. It is published. I've read it. It is in Turkish so being able to obtain a copy may not be very useful for you, but here is an online bookshop that carries it: Ideefixe Unfortunately I don't think they made any provision for someone not speaking Turkish and purchasing a book in Turkish, so the site is in Turkish as well. Ah, you'll see the book's author listed as Rahip G. Çarkçıyan on the web site, Rahip means Reverend. If you need any further help with this, let me know. Regards, Free smyrnan 18:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The Teotik reference, I have no clue, I just tried to provide some info so people could follow its trail. Çarkçıyan at the end of the book has a very short piece, where he makes several references to "the calamity known to us all", "the calamity at Syria". That was 1953, remember. I believe the Diaspora was also referring to it as medz yeghern, the great calamity. Free smyrnan 18:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I see that you guys got on the case.. That's good, because I also tried to make some research, but on such obscure subjects I only have access to sources I can find on the Net. Well, I have to admit that I couldn't find much, and I kind of see where your hesitations are coming from since it seems really hard to find sources. But I was never a history specialist, so I really have no clue.

I also took another look at the article, and it is true that certain parts (esp certain details) can use more solid sources. When I had first come across the debate I was a bit more sure, but now that I think about it you also have valid points so I really don't know really. I mean, most probably the guy did exist, but maybe the specifics need to be ironed out. Maybe work can be done in the article to clarify any POV issues? I suppose further debate is needed in the article's talk page. Btw, where is Ottoman? I am sure he knows more about the subject, so it would be nice if he could join in the debate.. I will leave a note for him.. Baristarim 04:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Ignore Atabek

His bringing of the Armenian Genocide denial everywhere is a provocation, you'll react and they'll report you and wait further reaction. This is how they've got me. Don't do the same mistake, don't reply at all. Fad (ix) 17:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan

The arbitration case involving you has closed. The Arbitration Committee has placed you on standard revert parole for a year. This means that you may revert only once per article per week except to revert obvious vandalism. Furthermore, you must explain your reasonings for content reverts on the associated talk page.

You may review the full decision at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan.

For the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | ^{Blast him / Follow his steps} 01:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)