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Jean Erdman

Per WP:BDP, please provide a reliable source that indicates she has died. I certainly don't doubt that she could have died, given her age. However, we need a reliable source to support it. If you have questions, let me know. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 22:39, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I work for the Joseph Campbell Foundation and just heard from the Executive Director last night.

There's also this:

https://www.facebook.com/12503781721/posts/10157033910911722/

Hello, I work for the Joseph Campbell Foundation and just heard from the Executive Director last night.

There's also this:

https://www.facebook.com/12503781721/posts/10157033910911722/ Agingprophet (talk) 23:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Social media are not used by Wikipedia as reliable source. It would be enough if an obituary for Erdman appeared on the site of Joseph Campbell Foundation. Resuming, no social newtorks or blog allowed.--Folengo (talk) 18:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Like I said, I work directly for the Foundation of which she is the emeritus president. Also, the news of her death is everywhere right now. Please stop being so daft.

https://www.dancemagazine.com/jean-erdman-choreographer-and-theater-director-dies-at-104-2645934093.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:1A80:71A0:493B:97D3:4257:4A12 (talk) 18:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not daft, man. You could be everyone, who assures you work for Joseph Campbell Foundation and the like? We can't use Social Networks here, we need reliable sources. The one above is perfectly fine, thanks. That's the rules, like it or not. --Folengo (talk) 18:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Apologies for the remark but we are grieving and I have verified the information 10 times and you keep taking it down. Annoying to say the least. You could have verified it yourself in half the time it takes to write this stuff.

• With respect, I did try to verify it and could not find any reliable sources that supported her death (as of yesterday). As Folengo noted, Facebook is not generally considered a reliable source. Folengo is also quite right that we can't take your word on it that the information is accurate, nor can we take your word that you work for the Foundation. Understand; it's not about trusting you or not. It's that ANYbody could make that claim about anything here and we have no way of verifying it. The accuracy of the project depends upon reliable sources, most especially when it comes to biographies of living (or recently deceased) people. Our Biographies of living persons policy is critically important and has to be followed. We get claims of people's deaths all the time. The most prominent one of late was for Kim Jong-un. Without verification in reliable sources, it's a non-starter. We now have a reliable source at [1] provided by Folengo (thank you!). I didn't doubt she had died, given her age, but we have to have reliable sources. Your edit warring to force the issue was inappropriate. Further, referring to Folengo as "daft" is out of line as well. If you intend on continuing to edit here, you need to comply with the Wikipedia:No personal attacks policy. Please understand; we're not trying to slam you down. Imagine if someone came along and added material to this article that was unsourced, and said something decidedly negative about her, without providing a source. The person defends their actions by saying they were Erdman's personal assistant. We try to find reliable sources to support what this person is saying, but can't. Do you think we should accept their word in such a scenario? --Hammersoft (talk) 19:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Once again, this is understood. Is the reference accepted now?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/arts/dance/jean-erdman-dead.html

Thank you again the attitude. Sorry for Agingprophet (talk) 13:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• sorry for the attitude Agingprophet (talk) 13:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)