User talk:Aboudaqn/Walter Beer

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Started stub--Aboudaqn (talk) 18:23, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Counter to Nomination for Deletion

References are single-line mentions: This is a stub, not an article, so please be more specific.

Paid notice: As newspaper lose advertising income, they cut back in areas like obits, while online services like Legacy.com offer further facilitate, so how can Wikipedia judge whether a paid death notice makes a person "non-notable" in this day and age?

"Wikipedia Search Effect": Lastly, online notability of pre-Internet people is difficult to ascertain online – yet, in my experience, merely adding this bio stub to Wikipedia raised "hits" on the name in various forms so that other biographical information came to light.

--Aboudaqn (talk) 03:04, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

"References are single line mentions" means the article lacks in-depth, non-trivial support. Paid notices, lack by their nature, independence.

There are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of pre-internet individuals on Wikipedia. Your statement is inaccurate. Adding a Wikipedia entry does nothing to add GHits other than the Wikipedia entry - which incidentally cannot be used as a reference. reddogsix (talk) 03:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

My experience tells me differently with regard to each of your latest replies.

Notability: This individual was clearly close to Alger Hiss, a major figure in 20th Century American history: studied with him and whose law firm provided at least three lawyers who defended him at various points in time. If you think that is insignificant, please read the Alger Hiss entry. I have wiki-linked these individuals back to Beer, which also bespeaks his role so far as it is currently known from online resources and with limited time invested in finding sources -- hence the "stub" quality of the entry so far. Please leave standing.--Aboudaqn (talk) 14:27, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Comment - Simply put notability is not inherited. reddogsix (talk) 16:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Remcommendation: 60-Day Moratorium on Deletions for "Non-Notability"

I strongly recommend that Wikipedia put a 60-day moratorium on deletions for "non-notability" to foster further online research into bio stubs and biographical articles. Creating a Wikipedia article or even mere bio stub raises "hits" on a name from elsewhere on that Internet so that other biographical information comes to light. This follows more than a decade of starting, expanding greatly, and adding bits to more than 1,000 articles on Wikipedia.--Aboudaqn (talk) 03:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps this should be vocalized in WP:N instead of here. Although given notability has been discussed at length since the inception of Wikipedia, I would be surprised if you got much communal support for the proposal. reddogsix (talk) 16:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC)