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May 2021

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in Indian Giver (song), disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Please read WP:SONGCOVER which sets a high bar to inclusion. Binksternet (talk) 05:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

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since the first edit was reverted for not following the "formatting, date, language, etc," it has been re-submitted with the same format & dates provided along the lines of the "acceptable" entries. as far as the "high bar to inclusion" of cover songs, the Ramones Maniacs version is notable for being a tribute to a tribute that the Ramones recorded (i.e.--in the style of the Ramones cover, rather than the original), and if Joan Jett's non-charting cover meets the standard, then so does Spencer Davis' version....both artists are roughly equally famous, and neither of their versions were popular singles (you might think Joan Jett had a hit with her cover, but you're thinking of her cover of "I Love Rock n Roll" or "Crimson & Clover" or "Do You Wanna Touch Me" or maybe even "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap")...so, if you're gonna delete one, you might as well delete both.

The main point of WP:SONGCOVER is that Wikipedia is not intended to show every cover version that exists. Wikipedia's purpose is to summarize the important stuff about a topic. Lots of cover versions are unimportant. Binksternet (talk) 05:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

the edit didn't show *every* cover of the song, since there are, no exaggeration, probably hundreds of them worldwide...on the contrary, the covers section contained *FOUR* versions: the Ramones cover, which is probably the most known aside from the original (as it appeared on their "best of" compilation, RamonesMania, which was also their highest-selling release during their lives, in addition to appearing as a B-side and a bonus track on other posthumous Ramones compilations); the Ramones Maniacs version is notable for being a tribute to the the tribute, itself somewhat of an anomaly; Spencer Davis and Joan Jett are both established artists, who issued their cover on official releases. given that a wiki page exists for each of those four releases, i'd say it meets the same standard of just about every other pop/rock Cover versions section i've seen.

It's not enough that the cover version is by a notable artist.

At Talk:Indian Giver (song) I suggested a book you might use to get the Ramones cover listed. Binksternet (talk) 07:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Dead refs

Please don't delete citations with dead URLs. Very often they can be repaired using archive.org or another web archive platform. At WP:DEADREF, the guideline says specifically Do not delete a citation merely because the URL is not working. It suggests steps for recovering the source. In any case, the source should be assumed to be valid at the time it was cited. Binksternet (talk) 14:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

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