37.228.227.72

August 2022

Please refrain from using talk pages such as Talk:Irish slaves myth for general discussion of the topic or other unrelated topics. They are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways, based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines; they are not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See the talk page guidelines for more information. Thank you. SunilNevlaFan✨ 14:57, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Is this site is not as you say a 'forum or chat room' what is that article page doing on it? It is a de factor socio political; rant seeking to diminish the historical record of the Cromwellian genocide in Ireland and is both offensive and intellectually invalid being the trite by-product of American political fashions and nothing to do with truth or knowledge. It should be deleted immediately unless Wikipedia wishes to make itself a host forum of anti-Irish anti-Catholic sectarian content. 37.228.227.72 (talk) 11:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

The article exists because it's documenting the social phenomenon of the myths that grew up around "Irish slaves", and how those myths were used to put down and minimize chattel slavery of Black people in the US. It's not an opinion piece - it's backed up by news sources, historical evidence, etc, etc. If you have issues with people appropriating Irish history and culture - best take that up with the people creating and propagating these demonstrably false memes which this article serves to document - Alison ^talk 19:30, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

The article exists because of anti-Irish bigotry. Wrapping that up in something else does not change what the article is. It is the wilful suppression and re-labelling of the Cromwellian genocide of Irish Catholics. It may interest you to learn that such bigotry has a rich tradition in protestant America and England, the last woman hanged as a witch in Boston in 1688 was Goodwife Ann Glover who was 'deported' to Barbados during Cromwell's suppression of Ireland, her Catholic husband having died. Her saying the Our Father in Irish and exercising her Catholic faith in her native language was supposed by her protestant murderers to be her conducting occult incantation. This article is the wilful suppression of her life and tens of thousands of others in an act of complete bigotry. 37.228.227.72 (talk) 17:15, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Her husband died in Barbados. Perhaps the persons behind this heinous article could visit his grave and urinate on it since they are already attempting to imply he was there semi-voluntarily 37.228.227.72 (talk) 17:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

• If you want to talk about Cromwell, genocide and the horrors visited upon the Irish people, it's over at Cromwellian conquest of Ireland - and it specifically mentions genocide and ethnic cleansing. If you want to talk about Barbados, it's at Irish indentured servants. The article in question above is specifically about the Irish slaves myth as it has grown in the US primarily, in recent times. Nothing about Barbados, Cromwell, witches, etc - they're elsewhere. And if you want to know about anti-Irish bigotry specifically, it's at Anti-Irish sentiment - none of this is being hidden or suppressed - Alison ^talk 22:54, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

  Maybe you should add this article into it as a nice modern extension of it after all you are supressing the truth for superficial and apparently political reasons to do with 'memes' which I neither know nor care about. This article is a flagrant act of bigotry against Irish Catholics and deliberate attempt to suppress their genocidal enslavement and murder in Barbados. 37.228.227.72 (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

• And Goodwife Ann Glover has an entire article dedicated to her at Ann Glover where it specifically states; "for a time her accusers thought she was speaking a language of the devil, but it became clear that this was not the case. In the words of her leading accuser, the Reverend Cotton Mather, "the court could have no answer from her but in the Irish which was her native language" - Alison ^talk 22:57, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

  Are you trying to confirm that your defense of this outrageously sectarian and racist article is on the grounds of anti-Irish bigotry? 37.228.227.72 (talk) 23:12, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

• Clearly, I'm absolutely wasting my time here, and you're just here to argue and get offended. I'm super not interested in debate or casting aspersions on others - Alison ^talk 01:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

  You are certainly into defending this article which should be deleted. It casts aspersions that there was a 'voluntary' aspect to the Cromwellian Irish Catholics that were indentured and sent to Barbados to die. Absolutely 'voluntary' with a free choice alternative of death. The entire article reeks of anti-Irish bigotry. 37.228.227.72 (talk) 20:02, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

• Go and request it be deleted, then and provide clear justification. Let the community decide. BTW, I am Irish, from Ireland, and see no anti-Irish bigotry there other than the fact that there are a bunch of racist Americans who would like to leverage our history and misfortune to put down their Black brethren. Anyways - I've done all I can - Alison ^talk 20:38, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

  I see that you wish to make descriptions of events in Catholic Irish history subservient to 'racist Americans' who apparently now have 'black Brethren' all while proclaiming you are Irish. I will request the deletion. It is an incredibly offensive and trite article that from your responses seems to exist not in recognition of any historical truth but due to something involving memes and racist Americans. 37.228.227.72 (talk) 23:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

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