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French toast (reply)

Hi! Thank you for your message. If you have not already done so, please read WP:NOTTRUTH. As you yourself state, "the reference is verifiable". That is the most important issue at stake.

That said, I don't doubt that the wording can be modified to make the exact meaning you wish to convey clearer, but that purpose is not achieved by slapping a misleading "failed verification" tag on the reference. As I have just mentioned in my recent edit summary, the place to resolve this issue is the article talk page.

Regards, --Technopat (talk) 08:33, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Please elaborate on how you feel WP:NOTTRUTH applies here. The facts are these (as already noted on the talk page):

1. The article says "The earliest known reference to French toast is in the Apicius, a collection of Latin recipes dating to the 1st century CE, where it is described as simply aliter dulcia 'another sweet dish.'"

2. The article says 'The recipe says to "Break [slice] fine white bread, crust removed, into rather large pieces which soak in milk [and beaten eggs] fry in oil, cover with honey and serve".'

Neither of these claims is true. They are theoretically verifiable, but not verified. They are both cited to the same work, and it completely fails to support them.

Similarly, I could write in the article on Donald Trump that his middle name is Homer, and I could provide a citation to donaldjtrump.com (who would know better what Donald Trump's middle name is?), and that would be verifiable. But the outcome of verification would be false, because donaldjtrump.com reports that Donald Trump's middle name begins with J, and Homer doesn't begin with J.

What do you mean by verifiable? It is not true that the source referenced by the French toast article says the things that the article purports to quote it as saying. 2601:647:CC00:84D0:9A0:20F:1FA5:2DC9 (talk) 09:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

If you believe that "verifiability" means "the information in the Wikipedia article is present in the source to which the claim is cited", then you are not correct that the French toast claims are "verifiable". 2601:647:CC00:84D0:9A0:20F:1FA5:2DC9 (talk) 10:08, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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