User:Mumia-w-18/Zpally Archive

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Speedy deletion of ZCubes

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October 2007

Welcome

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, one or more of the external links you added to the page Comparison of wiki software‎ do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 08:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Warning

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to List of wikis‎. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policy for further explanations. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 08:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

ZCubes is a wiki (it is an omnifunctional platform). If you keep deleting the ZCubes wikipedia page, can you suggest how any links can be given? I would prefer Wikipedia to present complete information, not partially biased by some impression you have formed due to possibly a lack of understanding of where technology is.

You have been marking me as a vandal, which is completely untrue. Your definition is against the Wikipedia policy too. I appreciate your being alert to changes, but you NEED to allow real and correct information to be presented. If you give me your email, I can give more information where you will find why all my edits are factual.

--Zpally 16:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Warning

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to List of wikis‎. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 08:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Facts need to be said. It does not matter who says it. All the edits that I have made are factual. I am not sure why you consider whatever I write as vandalism when companies like ZOHO, Zimbra, etc. have information on Wikipedia presenting information in exactly the same way.

It is ok to suggest changes to writing style maybe - and that can be changed. If you mindlessly pursue unedits without real cause, I would question the usefulness of this resource itself.

Anything I write can be backed up by references. If you do not follow new software and new technology, I can give you sufficient information.

--Zpally 16:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Query

Initial Part

The links you posted to zcubes.com (as 98.197.83.95) don't seem to be relevant to Wikipedia or the many articles you edited. I've deleted some of those references. Please do some things for us:

Login with your username and perform your edits while logged in.
Do not make any edits from an IP address (e.g. when you're not logged in).
Explain why your links to zcubes.com are not simply spam.
Please read your talk page so that people can communicate with you.

-- Mumia-w-18 14:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Logged in info gets cleared with clearing cookies. Sorry if that is a problem.

Links to zcubes.com are given because your robots keep removing ZCubes wikipedia information page. Can you mention an alternative?

None of the edits I make are non-factual. These are accepted information, and widely recognized in the industry. Let me know your email, and I will get you enough information about why your comment on "marginal" browser is a clear lack of understanding.

--Zpally 16:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I understand quite clearly. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. Things that go in here should be of encyclopedia quality and appropriateness. Zcubes is not notable enough to be in an encyclopedia. It doesn't matter how true your statements are; statements relating to zcubes.com simply don't belong here.

You seem to want to advertise your web site; I have no problem with that, but you can't do it here for two good reasons:

Your posting links to your commercial web site is spam--which Wikipedia does not accept.
Your creating references to a web site that you control is original research--which Wikipedia also does not accept.

Don't get me wrong. I understand how important it is for websites to promote themselves, but you can't do that here.

-- Mumia-w-18 17:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Why are then these have external links?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoho
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EditGrid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkFree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netvibes

I understand that you have policies. I do not mind you removing links to external websites (which will not be there if there was a ZCubes page just like these other companies). Does it have to be written by a third party to be acceptable? In any case, I can find examples of 1000s of pages about similar or even insignificant topics that are all around in Wikipedia. So, why is this selective reaction?

--Zpally 17:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The editors who created those articles were not spamming their own web sites, and they did fairly adequate jobs of creating balanced, researched articles, and they kept their original research to a minimum. Nonetheless, I would think that at least a couple of those sites need to be deleted.

Read the five pillars article and think of ways that you might attempt to create a balanced, well-researched and encyclopedic article. You might create a prototype article in your user space and solicit other editors to tell you of any bias or other problems that the article contains. Be prepared for criticism--both on your talk page and in the article.

You might consider if you really want to create such a page here. Many editors look down on spam, and you're a proven spammer. Once you create an article, you no longer have exclusive control over it; it's not like advertising--where you control your message. Anyone who has a bad experience with your website can add that to the article and its talk pages. If you respond by making personal attacks, you might end up blocked from editing your own articles.

Beware the dangers of abusing an online encyclopedia as an advertising platform. You have been warned.

-- Mumia-w-18 18:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Secondary Part

You might create a prototype article in your user space and solicit other editors to tell you of any bias or other problems that the article contains.
— Mumia W.

- Can you tell me how to do this? This is what would be preferred. Right now, the arbitrariness of most admins makes it impossible to get the content edited. Is this the sandbox? And how does one get editors to look at it? Do you think it is even worth spending time, and let someone else start articles on ZCubes when that person finds it interesting?

BTW, I have no interest in abusing the platform. Encyclopedia MUST reflect technical reality and accepted facts in the industry. For someone to say it is not "significant" is arbitrariness of the extreme (since ZCubes is being used by hundreds of thousands of people around the world in several shapes and forms). To call it a marginal browser clearly shows lack of comprehension - whoever it is. I am more interested in getting the content to the appropriate standards and accurately. So if that is possible, let it happen.

Please remember, I see it is everyones responsibility to have content on a platform like this to be unbiased, not just the admins - who tend not to be experts - but people of good-will. So please do not take comments personally, I know all of us do not have a lot of time to spare.

Please let me know if I need to work with some editors, and how. Otherwise, I will not bother about it. --Zpally 18:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The link that I posted earlier might get you started, but first read the policies because even advertisements in user pages get deleted by administrators. This would be a form of Sandbox.

I disagree that an encyclopedia should contain all technical facts. The IO Ports used by the IBM Programmable Interrupt Controller are probably not encyclopedic.

The supposedly large number of users you have don't automatically create notability. Read Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The editors of the Zcubes article, possibly including yourself, will have to find references that establish notability, or the article will be deleted.

As far as soliciting help is concerned, you can talk to individual editors whom you are friendly with, and you can use some Wikipedia:Templates to mark your page as needing improvements (but these probably work best in the article namespace).

Also consider the direction in which you are going. Right now your company has control over its image and interaction with the public. After you create this article, that may no longer be true.

--Mumia-w-18 19:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help. And thanks for setting up the page! Will do as you suggested. If you have the time, please give us constructive feedback as we go on. I am still learning about Wikipedia (but have been using it for years - its breadth has certainly helped us ini making a lot of amazing progress), and I hope to improve on aligning with the guidelines with all the issues that I have been exposed to. Thanks again!

--Zpally 19:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Zpally Notes

--Experience-- [1] the observing, encountering, or undergoing of things generally as they occur in the course of time: to learn from experience; the range of human experience.

This is what an experience is - in the browsing world, an experience is a collection of information that is then called as an experience while transmitting to other people.

--Firefox-- Firefox does not support SVG in HTML (only in XHTML which is not supported by IE). This is a major weakness in its (SVG and Firefox ) usefulness. It is important information for people to know, since Firefox documents says it supports SVG, whereas it does not.

--Browser-- Fully-functional Browser in browser is a reversal of browsers that are currently available. This architectural change makes it possible to get omni-functionality - for example, taking a picture out of the web and resizing or rotating anyway you like. This is a feature most current browsers do not even provide. The integration of experiences during browsing that are captured is a concept that changes browsers into an editor. Well, this is a technology change that is going on, and I am not sure why wikipedia should not carry facts on why technology is changing. If you feel otherwise, I can show you why you are way off in understanding.

Thanks to you guys for watching everything.

--Zpally 16:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Web operating system

From the above discussions, it seems people have been explaining Wikipedia's spam rules to you. Please observe WP:EL and don't use our articles for advertising or promotion. Your comment above, Thanks to you guys for watching everything, suggests that the previous warnings have made no impression. Continued violation of our rules can lead to blocks. EdJohnston 20:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to you guys for watching everything is appreciating your work. Do not misunderstand!

Since you have multiple admins who have differing views, this is causing the issue of whatever you do, someone else is going to do something that obviates what another admin is telling.

1. First off, someone else put an article about us that was removed. Nothing to do with me. 2. Then , someone else put an article about us that was removed. Nothing to do with me. 3. We put links on related content. An admin said you could not add links to outside. He suggested get your page correct and link to it. Which is fine. We are learning, and we all make mistakes. 4. Then I put an article, and linked to it. Later the article was removed by some other admin who did not think it was significant. 5. Another comment was that the article had to have a reason and provide references. Hence I gave the reference about WebOS where a similar competitors are mentioned and deals with the topic.

For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.ho.st (They are a direct competitor, why is that page allowed). So is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouOS . I am not sure why it is so? Other media obviously disagrees with your assessment of significance and similar products.

If ZCubes cannot have a page, and we cannot link to external pages which are valid references, where ALL other competitors are allowed to have pages - I think this is because you and others are taking things with a different twist - and collectively making a hostile approach to ZCubes.

You can keep saying I am spamming, vandalising and other charged words. Clearly you are not applying standards consistently. You can block my account or anyone elses by misinterpreting whatever it is.

I think it is great that you guys are doing this seriously (and out of sheer good-will to the cause). However targeting one person or account is not a good thing. If you claim all is balanced and neutral, then why is this so partial? When everyone else is allowed in as "significant" in everyone of the space we are in, why is it that we are not allowed to do anything - when we are trying to follow your own advice?

You may block this account if you think you are being impartial to every party involved. --Zpally 21:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion. Obviously we are concerned when someone's edits consist of nothing but attempts to publicize a particular product. (You are not the first person who has turned up here wanting to get coverage for something). If you would get used to participating in other areas of Wikipedia first, before trying to do stuff that strikes many people as promotional, your efforts to create a successful article might work. Unfortunately, your pattern of contributions fits what is known to us as a spam-only account. YouOS has already been tagged for notability, and may eventually be deleted if no reliable sources are added. G.ho.st has been covered in InfoWorld and in other printed media, so the article has what we consider to be reliable sources. EdJohnston 03:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)