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Paweł5586

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User requesting enforcement:
Faustian (talk) 18:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Paweł5586 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
digwuren sanctions Digwuren sanctions Scrolling down you will see that he is already on a list of editors placed on notice

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

[12] Created an abusive topic heading naming another editor
[13] Escalating personal attack by writing about another editor: "Your constant attempts at trying to find something to blame on the Polish side is as sick and perveted as trying to find sth on the Jewish side for the Nazi horrors."

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):

[14] Warning by Bobanni (talk · contribs)
[15] Warning by Thatcher (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):

Topic ban on Ukrainian-Polish relations during World War II broadly defined followed by probationary period.

Additional comments by Faustian (talk):
Please note that there is a message on the top of that article's talk page [16] requesting "be polite" and "avoid perosnal attacks."Faustian (talk) 18:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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Requesting a clerk, or other party, notify various parties so that I need not discuss this case on non-arbitration page, or interact with Loosmark's talk pageFaustian (talk) 18:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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User Paweł5586

POV:[17]

The editor is engaging in a longstanding pattern of uncivil remarks, using wikipedia as a battleground and assorted disruptions. An appropriate response to end such disrputions from admins per digwuren sanctions would be welcome.

Paweł5586 (talk) has a long history of abusive posts and has been warned multiple times by me and by other editors, on both sides of various issues, not to engage in abuse. A typical exchange: he describes information he doesn't like as "lies" here: "These are Ukrainian lies, Huta self-defence units defend village against UIA. Its nationalistic POV and excuse for crime in Huta", is warned by me here ("Please stop being abusive just because you don't like certain information") and by a Polish editor here ("Yes Paweł5586, please avoid abusive words such as lies etc., these are not lies, just different or Ukrainian nationalistic POV") not to be abusive, but escalates here by then calling what I wrote "This is lie - A lot of innocent Ukrainians were murdered by Polish self-defence bands based in places such Huta Pieniacka prior to that village's destruction.

This just goes on across several article talk pages. Here, for example "This claim proves you are not interested in the true but for excuse ukrainian nationalists for their crimes. You are biased.". To which I responded here " in no way excused or condoned the murder of innocent civilians. This is your third personal attack against me."

Here he confesses to using wikipedia as a battleground, stating "Thanks to you, will be more articles about SS-Galizien massacres, I will make them for you. First is Pidkamin massacre next, today will be Palikrowy massacre. You will see more truth about your "heroes"." (in a discussion about my objection to his basing an article on work published by notorious Polish right-wing private publisher Nortom).

Here he is quoting a Russian nationalist blog: [18].

Etc. etc.

After his another Polish editor, Loosmark, was topic banned for engaging in similar behavior (Loosmark was arguing together with Pawel5586 actually), Pawel5586 finally settled down but after a couple weeks but is back at it, as seen here where he states "you are trying to deny UPA and Galizien crimes, using Holocaust-denying arguments against Nortom." I had hoped that after the other editor had been topic banned Pawl5586 would stop engaging in such behavior but it seems that this hadn't been the case.

The most recent personal attack is here.

Paweł5586 has already been warned repeatedly, so I think that at this point if not a ban then at least a strict warning (another one!) by an admin with an immediate topic ban - no more warnings - if he enagegs in disruptions or uncivil arguments again, would be in order.

JD

see here

On February 17th, he went on an admin's talk page and left a comment about my edits. He implies that somehow I am supporting a "hoax" and does so by posting this diff from an edit I made on February 3rd that included alleged testimony by Stella Krensbach. However, after I confirmed on February 5th that another source considered this testimony to be a hoax, I placed this in the article, here (the bottom of my edit) and later that day moved the section out of the article. As can be seen by the edit history here, JD has subsequently edited the article numrous times after my changes and, given his interest in this article, must have been aware of them. Yet he chose to ignore my later edits and just provided the diff to the first one. Therefore it seems obvious that he is deliberately painting a false picture of what I had done.

Asked him not to be disruptive: [19]

Stsyborsky

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Paliiv

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JD II

If you have time, could you please address this issues here: [22]. It follows on the heels of this: [23] and is just the latest examlple of a longstanding pattern of similar falsification of sources by a user, Jo0doe (talk), who had been blocked for a year and then for 6 months from this wikipedia and who is permanently banned from Russian wiki (see here: [24]) for similar behavior.

Insinuating Nazi link to the delcaration by describing preence of "Nazi-Germany officials" versus merely German officials:[25] even trhough the Nazi party's reaction was negtive.

Cooperation with another editor banned for POV-pushing: [26].

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Interesting facts: [28]

request:

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false accusation of sockpuppetry:

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where mistranslations come from:

[31]

UGA

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ZUNR

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Patrilyak

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The Professors' Backround

Well, I googled some info. From this source: [39], the words of a survivor: "I remember well that Prof. Ostrowski was called, afterwards I was the tenth or perhaps twelfth to go as the next. If found myself in a room where there were two officers, a younger one who arrested me and another one of a higher rank, a large, portly man. He immediately shouted at me: "You dog, you are a German and have betrayed your German country. You served the Bolsheviks! Why didn't you, when it was possible, depart with all the other Germans to the West? " I began to explain, at first quietly and then louder, as the officer raised his voice, that although I was of German descent I considered myself a Pole. Secondly, even had I intended to go West, the Soviet authorities would not have permitted it because of my high social position as University Professor and well-known clinician - they considered me indispensable. I was then asked to explain the meaning of the visiting cards of British consuls found in my possession. I replied that I was married to a titled English lady and we were often visited by British consuls. He grew quieter, and apparently impressed he said: "I'll have to speak to my boss, we shall see what can yet be done for you" and hurriedly left the room. "

This suggests that the Germans were interested in what they thiught were people who worked for the Bolsheviks.

I found some comments on a message board devoted to Axis history. They aren't RS for purposes of inclusion into the article and are not all necessarily my opinions. But the comments, written by a "Michael Mills", do bring up interesting points to consider:

It appears from the material on the link provided (which has the flavour of an extreme Polish nationalist source) that the German security police regarded the Polish academics executed as collaborators with the former Soviet occupiers.

That was certainly the case with the former Polish prime minister, Bartel, who was being wooed by both the Soviets and the British-backed Polish Government-in-Exile as a possible leader of an anti-German Polish resistance movement to be based in the Soviet-occupied areas of Poland.

In that regard, I recall that the late Dr Joachim Hoffmann, in his "Stalin's War of Extermination", found evidence that, before the German invasion, the Soviet Government had begun to recruit ethnic Poles for all-Polish units of the Red Army. That suggests that Stalin had changed his policy towards the Polish minority in the area annexed by the Soviet Union in 1939 from one of repression to one of turning it into an ally against Germany in the conflict that was clearly coming. Soviet dealings with former Polish prime minister Bartel probably formed part of that endeavour.

It is possible that Germany had found out about the Soviet moves in regard to the Polish minority (the Ukrainian nationalist underground would have been a likely source), and set out to nip any pro-Soviet activity in the bud.

There is a number of indications that the executed academics may have been collaborating with the Soviet authorities.

1. They were not deported in 1940 or 1941, in one of the waves of deportations by which the Soviet occupiers set out to destroy the former Polish ruling class in the region. As members of the intelligentsia, the executed academics would certainly have been seen as part of that ruling class (particularly former Prime Minister Bartel), and the fact that they were not deported suggests that they had made some sort of accommodation with the Soviet regime. Perhaps they were part of the Soviet plan to set up a Polish anti-German movement in East Galicia, as a base for subverting German rule in the Generalgouvernement.

2. They had not taken the opportunity to move west to the German zone of occupation in the last months of 1939, under the population-exchange agreements in place at that time. One of the arrested academics, Groer, was specifically accused of that. (According to the information in the link, Groer survived, indicating that he probably made a deal with the Germans, despite the denials on the link).

Under the population exchanges agreed between Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939, ethnic Ukrainians and Belorussians west of the demarcation line could move into the Soviet Occupation Zone, and ethnic Poles and Germans east of the line could move into the German Occupation Zone. Movements under the agreement were quite substantial; for example, some 300,000 Jews from West Poland moved to the Soviet Zone (the German even encouraged the Jews to claim to be "Ukrainians of Mosaic religion", in order to be eligible for transfer).

Ethnic Poles also moved west into the Generalgouvernment. These were mainly landowners and others who had been expropriated by the Soviet occupation regime. After the German invasion in 1941, many of them returned to their former homes, so Gerlach tells us in "Kalkulierte Morde", and collaborated with the Germans as managers of their former properties.

It was not until the population exchanges were completed that the Soviet authorities began the deportation, in February 1940, of the members of the Polish ruling class that had remained in the Soviet Occupation Zone, and was still anti-Soviet. At a later date, the 300,000 Jewish refugees from West Poland were also evacuated to Central Asia (most were settled in Tashkent); the reason for that is not clear, and may have been connected with Soviet preparations for the coming war with Germany.

3. The arrested academics and their families had a considerable store of valuables that was confiscated by the German security police. One wonders why those valuables had not been previously seized by the Soviet authorities, as part of the general expropriation of the Polish ruling class that was carried. It may be that the persons concerned had been allowed to keep their personal property in return for collaborating with the Soviet authorities, either in the administration of the annexed parts of Poland, or in the setting up of a Polish anti-German movement based in East Galicia, or both.

On the basis of the above, I would suggest that the persons arrested and executed in Lwow were part of Soviet moves to subvert German rule in the Generalgouvernement in the context of the lead-up to the German-Soviet war, and had been fingered to the German authorities by the Ukrainian underground.

It is noteworthy that the Polish-Jewish historian, Jan Tomasz Gross, in his book "Revolution From Abroad", came to the conclusion that until 1941 Soviet repression of the Polish population in the Soviet-annexed areas was worse than German repression in the Generalgouvernment. That makes the survival of the Lwow academics under Soviet rule all the more suspicious.