Template talk:ISO 15924 alias/Archive 1

Archive 1

Template-protected edit request on 5 June 2018

Please make updates for the recent release of Unicode 11. The sandbox has been updated to show these specific changes:

• Change the count to: As of 2018-05-20 this is the complete list of 151 Unicode 11.0 alias codes
• Add: | Dogr = Dogra
• Add: | Gong = Gunjala Gondi
• Add: | Maka = Makasar
• Add: | Medf = Medefaidrin
• Add: | Rohg = Hanifi Rohingya
• Add: | Sogd = Sogdian
• Add: | Sogo = Old Sogdian DRMcCreedy (talk) 23:17, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

• Oops, I added a new request below (June 7) using full sandbox code, so this one is obsolete. - DePiep (talk) 06:58, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 June 2018

Please replace all template code with all code from sandbox Template:ISO 15924 alias/sandbox. Essence: per 2018-06-05 Unicode version 11.0, seven new scripts are added. This edit will add their Alias (=Unicode short name for a script). DePiep (talk) 06:57, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 13 March 2020

Please update template with full sandbox code.

Changes: added 4 new aliases per Unicode version 13.0 (see sandbox diff). DePiep (talk) 20:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

DePiep, doesn't the comment at the top, identifying the "as of" date & Unicode version, need updating as well? Cabayi (talk) 07:55, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Done, thx. Cabayi. -DePiep (talk) 08:56, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Cabayi (talk) 09:02, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Geok

Re this edit. It could be that in 2014 the sources were incorrect, but today file [1] lists it correctly: see line

Geok;241;Khutsuri (Asomtavruli and Nuskhuri);khoutsouri (assomtavrouli et nouskhouri);Georgian;1.1;2012-10-16

The text "Georgian" is the Unicode alias. (So, imo, no need to add the notification / though not worth removing).

As for the merge of Geok/Geor in Unicode, there are more similar examples. -DePiep (talk) 15:28, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

FYI Drmccreedy -DePiep (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

The comment was added because Geok was (and is still) missing from http://www.unicode.org/Public/UCD/latest/ucd/PropertyValueAliases.txt I've tried to clarify the comment because "sources" was vague. As far as I know, Geok is the only code in this list that is NOT in PropertyValueAliases.txt. DRMcCreedy (talk) 16:40, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

I see. But maybe the error is in the ISO file, not the Unicode file ;-) (still Unicode responsible not ISO IIRC). Maybe the alias "Georgian" should *not* be in this file for Goek (where the line above is from). Because:

Multiple script code scripts are present in Unicode character textual description, but not listed as PropValueAlias. Usually, when one script is "unified" (merged?) with an other one. Example, from the ISO file I linked:

Arab;160;Arabic; alias:Arabic; v1.1;
Aran;161;Arabic (Nastaliq variant); alias:<none>; v1.1;

1. version says: included in Unicode <-?-> an Alias is not given

2. Aran is missing in the file you link to.

Some 17 script codes are having the situation like Aran. I am researching these, later more.

Anyway, you are right wrt there being an inconsistency between those two files. -DePiep (talk) 17:20, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

When you created this list in August 2011, you had the comment "Unicode alias codes by ISO 15924" so I'm assuming it's never been an ISO 15924 list but rather a list of Unicode aliases, which would explain the 17 omissions. FYI: You added Geok in November 2012. And you added the Geok comment in June 2014. DRMcCreedy (talk) 20:56, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

I do not understand what you are trying to say. AFAIK, this is a formal, ISO-published file, Unicode consortium contributions (like Alaises) as a guest. Hence me saying "... by ISO 15924" i.e. the ISO script code ID is leading here. That is not my idea or suggestion, but the statement as published by ISO (on the Unicode website, section ISO 15924-guest publisher). It is the formal status of this one source file. What Unicode writes in Unicode-published files, is an other matter.

All in all, maybe it is not a discrepansion nor are the 17 code-aliases "omitted" by error/mistake. As I said, research is happening. -DePiep (talk) 21:43, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

My recent (yesterday) confusion was that is was ISO 15924, not the Unicode aliases. It's clearly the Unicode aliases. I propose that Geok and the comment be removed so it matches the script properties in PropertyValueAliases.txt. DRMcCreedy (talk) 02:54, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

thx for clarifying. We can leave it there (even if it would be trivial). Let's research and clarify the Arab/Aran and Geor/Goek situations first? {{ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data}} already mentions something in the notes (Korean: Kore is a code, has no Alias, is added in version 1.1; the template table has remark "See Hani and Hang"). -DePiep (talk) 09:05, 15 March 2020 (UTC)