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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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Yeshiva Ohr Elchonon (Jerusalem) edit

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  • ... that Yeshiva Ohr Elchonon of Jerusalem was the fourth yeshiva established on three continents by Rabbi Simcha Wasserman? Source: "the young Wasserman founded the first of his four rabbinical seminaries at Strasbourg in 1933...After founding a seminary in Detroit, he arrived in Los Angeles in 1953, where he opened a yeshiva...In Jerusalem, Wasserman founded another seminary named after his father." (Los Angeles Times)

Created by Yoninah (talk). Self-nominated at 21:17, 18 October 2016 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - The article says "Also called the West Coast Talmudical Seminary, this was the third yeshiva founded by Wasserman" but the hook says the fourth. Which is right?
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: You'll have to fix up the hook issue for this to pass. — Yellow Dingo (talk) 05:00, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Yeshiva #1: Strasbourg. Yeshiva #2: Detroit. Yeshiva #3: Los Angeles. Yeshiva #4: Jerusalem. This new article is about the fourth yeshiva, in Jerusalem. The phrase you're quoting refers to the third yeshiva, which was sub-named West Coast Talmudical Seminary. ("Yeshiva" and "rabbinical seminary" are interchangeable terms.) Yoninah (talk) 10:03, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Unless I'm missing something obvious, which I may well be, I don't see any mention of the hook in the article explicitly which is required by rule 3a. — Yellow Dingo (talk) 11:00, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
  • But I cited the source and the source text after the hook:
  • "the young Wasserman founded the first of his four rabbinical seminaries at Strasbourg in 1933 (Yeshiva #1: Strasbourg) ... After founding a seminary in Detroit, (Yeshiva #2: Detroit) he arrived in Los Angeles in 1953, where he opened a yeshiva (Yeshiva #3: Los Angeles) ... In Jerusalem, Wasserman founded another seminary named after his father. (Yeshiva #4: Jerusalem)" Yoninah (talk) 13:57, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
  • I added some cites to the article for the fourth yeshiva founded in Jerusalem. Yoninah (talk) 14:02, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Yeah sorry if I wasn't clear, I'm aware that the sourcing is fine now. What I was saying is that the hook isn't explicitly mentioned in the article. It would be good in the article if you actually say it was the fourth yeshiva established on three continents in the article. Currently it is convoluted and not immediately obvious. A short sentence in the lead would suffice. — Yellow Dingo (talk) 23:39, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
  • OK, thanks for the suggestion. Since only the third and fourth yeshivas were named Ohr Elchonon, I thought it might be confusing to put it in the lead, so I added it to the opening paragraph of History. I think I'm allowed to draw the conclusion of the three continents from the cited locations of the yeshivas. Yoninah (talk) 18:24, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
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