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The result was: promoted by 4meter4 (talk) 15:41, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

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Saint Stephen's Church, Negombo
Saint Stephen's Church, Negombo

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self-nominated at 06:21, 7 November 2015 (UTC).

  • DYK checklist template
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Passes DYK checklist. Both original and ALT1 check out and are referenced. Nice picture. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:16, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

  • To be more precise, ALT1 was the hook promoted and the hook fact had been removed from the article before the hook got to the main page. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:55, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
  • True, but then at Wt:DYK it was suggested to use the original hook instead of the Alt1, but that one turned out to be dubious or uncertain as well: basically, the article uses two contradictory sources and makes a WP:SYNTH version of them, picking seemingly random facts from one and from the other even if those are not in agreement. Both sources indicate that the mound is much older than the 1876-1880 dates, but they disagree whether the church is much older as well (and converted to Anglicanism in 1876-1880), or whether it was newly built on an older, existing mound in 1876 or thereabouts. The article needs to be corrected (either present both stories, or give good reasons to only use one or to use a fact from one and a fact from another source), and then perhaps a DYK can be discussed. Fram (talk) 11:08, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Fram Cwmhiraeth This reference [1] has been considered unreliable by User:DoctorKubla and he has deleted it from the article along with the related text. He has suggested that [2] is more reliable. In view of this, the controversy about the date seems to be resolved. Hence, both Original and ALT1 Hooks are no more valid. I suggest the following ALT2 hook now.Nvvchar. 11:33, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that the area in which the site for building the Saint Stephen’s Church, Negombo (pictured) was chosen in 1876 had previously been known as "The Dutch Fort"?
Or abbreviate it to ALT3. I will leave it to Fram to decide whether the historical problems mentioned above have been resolved. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Comment whilst the source cited in the article states "the site selected for the erection of the church is in the area yet referred to as 'The Dutch Fort'." The Dutch Fort is still in existence and the site is being used as a prison. The church is located to the east of the prison. Dan arndt (talk) 08:10, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
According to our article, the fort was demolished in the late 1880s and a prison built in its stead. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:56, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth the ramparts and gateway of the fort still exist. Irrespective however of whether any remnants of the fort exist or not, the church is not constructed on the site of the fort. Dan arndt (talk) 12:46, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Dan arndt I thought the word "area" mentioned at the beginning of the hook addressed your concern. You may like to suggest an alternate formulation for the hook. Thanks.Nvvchar. 03:18, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
ALT4 is a more accurate description - the others are slightly misleading or erroneous. Dan arndt (talk) 10:41, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed to check the ALT4 hook, which is the only one remaining. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT4 is acceptable, and I believe the historical problems mentioned by Fram above have been resolved. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:14, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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