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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 12:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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Rose Lok edit
- ... that the Tudor ship Mary Rose was named after Rose Lok and her sister-in-law, Mary Lok?
- Reviewed: River Nevis
Created by NinaGreen (talk). Self nominated at 20:21, 17 November 2013 (UTC).
Length and hook fine. I have access to ODNB so I was able to source the hook fact and check the main reference. Age is fine. Nice to see a famous woman. Thank you Victuallers (talk) 12:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm wondering about the "Tudor" characterization. I think of this Mary Rose when I think of the Tudor ship, since it was a naval ship built in 1510, and Henry VIII watched that particular Mary Rose sink in 1545. (It clearly can't be the one named for Rose Lok, who was born in 1526.) Is the sourcing there to call it a merchant ship, perhaps, or something to indicate that it wasn't a (the) naval ship? BlueMoonset (talk) 06:04, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- The ODNB says " They owned a number of ships and Richard Hakluyt wrote about several of their voyages ‘to the south and southern parts of the world’. One of these ships, the Mary Rose, was named after their wives. The Hickmans entertained eminent clergymen such as John Hooper, John Foxe, and John Knox, the last of whom made mention of them several times in his letters to his friend and Rose's sister-in-law, Anne Locke, between 1556 and 1561." This does not make it clear that this is not THE Mary Rose either but your point about the dates makes the case. I agree that the article at least should try and make this clear. Victuallers (talk) 10:20, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- I've added a note differentiating the two ships. Part of the 'catchiness' of the hook is that it would lead readers to think of the more famous Mary Rose which sank in 1545. Incidentally the Wikipedia DAB page says there were actually nine royal naval vessels successively named Mary Rose. NinaGreen (talk) 16:02, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- The ODNB says " They owned a number of ships and Richard Hakluyt wrote about several of their voyages ‘to the south and southern parts of the world’. One of these ships, the Mary Rose, was named after their wives. The Hickmans entertained eminent clergymen such as John Hooper, John Foxe, and John Knox, the last of whom made mention of them several times in his letters to his friend and Rose's sister-in-law, Anne Locke, between 1556 and 1561." This does not make it clear that this is not THE Mary Rose either but your point about the dates makes the case. I agree that the article at least should try and make this clear. Victuallers (talk) 10:20, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- - reconfirming Victuallers (talk) 23:39, 23 November 2013 (UTC)