Template:Did you know nominations/Rolls-Royce Boat Tail

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The result was: rejected by Theleekycauldron (talk) 01:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Rolls-Royce Boat Tail

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... that the Rolls-Royce Boat Tail, which is the world's most expensive new car, will have only three cars built? Source: "https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/luxury/article/3136364/did-beyonce-and-jay-z-just-order-worlds-most-expensive-car

Reviewed: Mahanati

Created by Jupitus Smart (talk). Self-nominated at 16:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC).

Review

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - The Beyonce/Jay-Z rumour is, by definition, unreliable guesswork. That paragraph needs work -- better sourcing or a different wording.
Neutral: - It seems too promotional – focussing only on the luxury/celebrity/cost hype. To achieve a more neutral tone, I suggest saying something about the engineering and the history of such specials
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - It's remarkably similar to https://www.expensivecarz.com/rolls-royce-boat-tail/ but their date is 13 June and so my impression is that they copied from us. A {{backwards copy}} template is needed on the talk page.

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - The hook is debatable as other sources say that it's the Lunar Roving Vehicle (e.g. Lunar rover: the story of the most expensive car ever). And we need to address the issue of inflation.
Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article really needs a picture. Perhaps we can find a picture of a boat tail model from the 1920-30s such as this Andrew🐉(talk) 14:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the Rolls-Royce Boat Tail, which is the world's most expensive street-legal new car, will have only three cars built?

@Andrew Davidson:Modified the hook. Pretty sure the Lunar rover was not street legal. I have also removed the celebrity owner parts (they were added by some IPs). The backward copy template has been added. I have added all the information I could salvage into the article though because it is an ultra luxury car - the engineering parts also ended up sounding luxurious. I am not able to find a relevant image, not even one of the old boat tails (which are copyright free). I will try to add some more information to make it more neutral by the time you revisit the article. Best. Jupitus Smart 16:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

I browsed for sources myself to look for one that wasn't just churnalism – recycling a press release or other people's reports. I found a first-hand report which seems to ring true. One point made by this is that these vehicles are custom coach-built and so there's not a standard list price. The price will be individual to each client and RR aren't saying what it is, just as they aren't saying who the clients are. So, it seems difficult to make firm claims based on an unknown variable.
As for the street-legal idea, this would need confirmation. Sometimes, high-end cars are not street-legal and so can only be driven on race-tracks or private roads. And even some more mundane cars may not be legal in certain jurisdictions – see Illegal Vehicles Banned in America, for example.

Andrew🐉(talk) 17:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that the first Rolls-Royce Boat Tail comes with a Christofle crockery set? Source: https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/cars/rollsroyce-boat-tail-the-most-expensive-car-in-the-world-breaks-cover-41622170659257.html

@Andrew Davidson: How about a new hook like the one above?. Jupitus Smart 18:02, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Listing the various items of bling might make a good hook but we should avoid suggesting that these are standard production items as they are tailored to each client and there's only one example so far. I suggest "the first Rolls-Royce Boat Tail..."

As for the issue of price and client confidentiality, you might emphasise this by saying that the rich client and exact price are not being divulged by RR so people are making guesses and estimates. This might give the hook an element of excitement and mystery...

Andrew🐉(talk) 18:17, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Andre Davidson: Necessary change incorporated. Please check Jupitus Smart 18:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

I've got to work on my own DYK now so I'll get back to this tomorrow. Please ping me if I should forget... Andrew🐉(talk) 18:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson:, just a reminder as requested. Jupitus Smart 16:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I looked through the article again and am not willing to pass this yet as I don't think enough has been done to address all the points made above. I may edit the article myself to demonstrate the way I think this should be handled. But, if I do so, we will then need another reviewer. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: If you could please list the specific deficiencies, I would work on removing them. I am going on a long Wiki break now, and would not be able to follow up. Jupitus Smart 04:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson:, Any chance of going through the article again. Jupitus Smart 05:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I just checked to see if there's any continuing coverage and am not finding it. My impression is that the burst of news was essentially PR which echoed through the motoring press but has not been sustained. I reckon we need more to make something of this – a photo is especially needed. I'm still not willing to tick this but will stay alert. Feel free to ask for another reviewer, if you want a second opinion. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

In the absence of improvements to the article and a request for a second review, I'm rejecting this nomination. BuySomeApples (talk) 06:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

If possible please allow a second review to see if this can improve before rejecting the nomination. Jupitus Smart 18:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

New reviewer needed to provide the requested second opinion. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:39, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Citation #5 is a bare URL and needs a citation template. In the external links section, the template that links to the Commons does not point to any page with media related to Rolls-Royce Boat Tail. This needs to be fixed or removed. The word bespoke is used a couple times, but I cannot figure out the context of the word. The lead paragraph looks like a work in progress and needs work. It mentions things which are not in the body of the article, and conversely there are important things mentioned in the body which are not summarized in the lead paragraph. The citations in the lead paragraph should also be moved into the body. Please see MOS:LEAD for the relevant manual of style. I agree that a photo would help but it is not required. I'm still contemplating the proposed hooks. Lastly, the infobox contains information not found in the body of the article which should be. Please see MOS:INFOBOX for the relevant manual of style. Flibirigit (talk) 02:16, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I cannot approve ALT0 or ALT1 at this time. Both state that the car "is" the world's most expensive vehicle whereas the corresponding text in the article state taht the car "was" the world's most expensive vehicle. ALT2 cannot be approved since the first boat tail cars were from the 1910s, and not 2021. Flibirigit (talk) 23:32, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Marking this nomination for closure. The nominator has not edited in two weeks and this article has multiple issues to be addressed. Flibirigit (talk) 17:33, 16 August 2021 (UTC)