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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:28, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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5x expanded by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 21:36, 28 December 2016 (UTC).

  • The article needs a lot of clean-up, but that doesn't disqualify it from DYK. I'm more concerned about the hook citation - it seems to be a primary source that is, at least ideologically, involved with the subject. For a statement like the hook statement, an independent source is needed. Other than that, I don't see any copyvios/close paraphrasing after running Earwig's tool, and the article was expanded within the timeframe of nomination. The content is neutral and is well-cited.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 21:19, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
  • In what sense is it a primary source?? --Soman (talk) 18:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
  • It was a journal issued by CPI. --Soman (talk) 19:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Then it is affiliated with the subject. For a statement such as "the first," we really need some kind of outside source. It's probably true, but the organization could benefit from making claims to fame.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 06:36, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
How would a CPI journal be related to RCPI? --Soman (talk) 07:24, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
RCPI did break away from CPI, true, but I'm concerned about how reputable CPI is a source for historical analysis. Ideology doesn't inherently disqualify a source, but is CPI's Party Life known for presenting information from a neutral perspective, or at least one independent of the publisher? I also would be skeptical of a right-wing source, for similar reasons.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 18:12, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Well, if CPI stated that RCPI predated it in Assam, wouldn't that be a reliable claim? --Soman (talk) 19:53, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
That statement would be a reliable claim - but was there an organization prior to RCPI in Assam? I don't know if CPI is reliable for that claim. I don't have access to the source, so I can't look at it and consult it to get a feel for its reliability, which is why I'm unsure.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 05:14, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I think 3family6 has a good point, Soman. The claim "the first left organization" is a broad one, and "first" claims need strong sourcing. CPI is not completely disinterested, and their definition of "left" might not meet a neutral source's definition when deciding what would qualify under that claim. Another thing that needs to be fixed is the cite error for cite number 2, which appears to be defined more than once. I'd like to suggest that a new hook be created instead of this one, which has proven problematic, and that it be done soon. This is one of three nominations left over from 2016, and needs to be completed in the next couple of weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:09, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
  • The cite error is resolved now. As per the hook, I don't see which other party, even with a very broad definition of 'left', would have predated CL/RCPI in Assam? --Soman (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Soman, the point is that you don't have a reliable and independent source for this, which is what DYK requires, and you haven't been able to come up with one. A neutral newspaper or magazine article or published book is what needs to be supplied here, given that it is a "first" claim. Absent that level of independent, reliable source verifiability, I have struck the hook. Please submit a new hook. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:20, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
  • It has been over a week, and no new hook has been supplied though the nominator has been editing in the interim. Marking for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:15, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the Revolutionary Communist Party of India attacked the Dum Dum Airfield in 1949? --Soman (talk) 20:02, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I'll check this hook when I get home tonight.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:18, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Checked the references through a search verified the content. The hook is interesting, and cited to independent sources. Approved. Sorry that this had to take so long.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:56, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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