Template:Did you know nominations/Penny (New Zealand pre-decimal coin)

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 17:13, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Penny (New Zealand pre-decimal coin)

Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 18:55, 12 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Penny (New Zealand pre-decimal coin); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Really cool article and interesting hook. Sohom (talk) 20:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta and Generalissima: I am not sure our article states the hook fact, in particular the bit about 1930s. I think 1930s is mentioned in the proceeding paragraph but it needs to be together. From DYKCRIT in a nutshell The hook fact should be cited in the article, no later than the end of the sentence it appears in. We should put the hook together in a sentence followed by the citation in our article? Bruxton (talk) 19:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
@Generalissima and Bruxton: I wonder if we can just reword the hook ? Something like:
ALT0a ... that a design for the 1930s New Zealand penny depicted a rugby player?
would satisfy DYKCRIT (and was actually how I interpreted the hook). That being said, I will keep DYKCRIT's nutshell's strict wording in mind for future reviews. Sohom (talk) 19:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
I would support this hook change, it's more clearly stated than my original suggestion anyhow. Generalissima (talk) 19:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
@Sohom Datta and Generalissima: I would like to see the hook stated and cited in the article. As it is a reader has to search for the hook facts which are not connected in our article. Bruxton (talk) 21:22, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
@Bruxton: The hook is already stated and cited in the article. Generalissima (talk) 21:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
@Bruxton: It is definitely cited and in the article.
Francis Shurrock, a local sculptor and art teacher, submitted multiple designs. One penny design showed a Māori tekoteko figurine[b], with the other featuring a fern and a triumphant rugby player holding a ball.[4]
and if you specifically want the fact that the coin was released in the 1930s
High Commissioner Bill Jordan approved the design in June 1939, and the coin entered production.[4]
My understanding of DYKCRIT is that the exact wording does not have to be used. However the fact mentioned must be present. Sohom (talk) 21:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the messages. For such a short hook I should not have piece together hook facts from different areas of the article. I will leave this to another promotor. Bruxton (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
@Sohom Datta and Generalissima: I am sorry that the nomination has been idle almost a month without action so I will promote the hook and leave notes for the promoting administrator:
In the Design and introduction section 1938 is mentioned as the year a committee was formed to accept designs.
In the Design proposals section the 2nd paragraph contains the Rugby design fact,
in the fourth paragraph of that section is the 1939 design approval.
Note to admin: Earwig is not working for me today. Bruxton (talk) 17:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)