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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 21:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

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Manga Up!

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Created by Link20XX (talk). Self-nominated at 00:09, 18 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Manga Up!; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - See below.
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article created on 17 February, and meets the length requirement. Earwig reveals no copyvio and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably WP:Close paraphrasing. All sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable for the material they are cited for (but see below). QPQ has been done. There are some content issues:

  • The article describes it as a website, but the sources say it's an app.
  • However, the service was criticized for its censorship and monetization. – "however"?
  • Fullmetal Alchemist, Magical Circle Guru Guru, Inu × Boku SS, Blast of Tempest, Daily Lives of High School Boys, and Sumomomo, Momomo were available on the service upon release. – that's basically just a laundry list.
  • An English version – I would say "English-language" for clarity.
  • launched on July 26, 2022 – the source says it was released "on Monday". July 26, 2022 was a Tuesday.
  • serializes original series – redundant phrasing.
  • Japanese website Appmedia praised the works and free content of the app, particularly its fantasy and horror works. – did it? I'm admittedly relying on a machine translation, but it seems more like description than praise to me.
  • many outlets criticized its censorship – the cited sources don't back this up. They do back up that many users criticized it.
  • many critics pointed out that the censorship included knees and jeans – the sourcing does not back up that many critics said this, specifically.
  • knees and jeans – "knees" is properly sourced, but "jeans" is not. The cited sources do not discuss the censorship of jeans, but one of them includes this tweet. That tweet would not be sufficient sourcing on its own, and being included in one of the cited sources without further commentary does not change that.
  • neither of which are erotic – that's an opinion.
  • I would include Faulkner's assessment that the censorship was probably done by machine.
  • entire chapters that were mostly censored – not really what Faulkner says. Faulkner says characters that show cleavage, like Marin from the top-rated My Dress Up Darling series, can spend entire chapters mostly obscured, a weaker statement.

Ping Link20XX. TompaDompa (talk) 18:48, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

  • @TompaDompa: Thanks for your review. I changed the description in the first sentence from website to service as that better describes the topic, I removed "however" and the redundant word "original" and added "English-language" as you suggested. I also removed the laundry list of titles and changed the release date to July 25, 2022 (the proper date). I removed the note about Appmedia as it did not praise the service for that particularly, though the rest of the statement should be okay. I also changed "outlets" to "users" to better match the sources and removed "many" for the same reason. I removed the line about knees and jeans being errotic and and changed the bit about Falkner's opinion, toning it down and noting his machine assessment. Lastly, regarding the censorship, I changed "knees and jeans" to "knees and elbows" as I can't verify jeans outside of the Tweet, though elbows is mentioned in the ComicBook.com article here, which states However, these boxes are also present on bodies even if they're totally covered, and some even cover unexpected areas like elbows and knees. As such, I would like to propose an alternative hook similar to the one above, ALT1: ... that censorship on Manga Up! included elbows and knees? based on the change. Link20XX (talk) 19:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
    • @Link20XX: I'll have to WP:AGF on Appmedia (is it really praise and not just a description?), and Faulkner says that characters rather than chapters are mostly obscured. Other than that, my sourcing concerns have all been taken care of, and no obvious neutrality issues remain. ALT1 is both interesting and properly sourced. This will be ready once the Faulkner stuff is fixed. As a further improvement, I would suggest saying "monetization model" rather than just "monetization" in the WP:LEAD. TompaDompa (talk) 16:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
      • @TompaDompa: I have made all of the suggested edits. Link20XX (talk) 16:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
        • ALT1 ready. TompaDompa (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
          @Link20XX and TompaDompa: I don't think "censorship included" is grammatically correct on its own. It's like you're missing some words, e.g. "targets of censorship included..." Cielquiparle (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
          Can't say I see a problem. "Was there censorship? Yes, including elbows and knees." seems fine to me, as would "[...] including of elbows and knees." I wouldn't object to rephrasing it, but I don't think it's necessary either. TompaDompa (talk) 17:26, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
@Link20XX and TompaDompa: How about flipping it around, so it says:
  • ALT2: ... that knees and jeans were censored on Manga Up!?
Cielquiparle (talk) 09:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm fine with whatever wording sounds best. Link20XX (talk) 14:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I don't mind the change in sentence structure, but that should be "elbows" rather than "jeans". TompaDompa (talk) 14:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
@TompaDompa: Thanks. I've now struck out ALT0 and ALT2, since they both say "jeans", so there's no confusion. Could you please restore the green tick if the version below is OK in addition to ALT1?
  • ALT2a: ... that knees and elbows were censored on Manga Up!?
Cielquiparle (talk) 15:07, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Certainly. ALT2a ready. TompaDompa (talk) 15:10, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
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