Template:Did you know nominations/Kalikho Pul

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:42, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Kalikho Pul edit

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~~... that Kalikho Pul, former Chief Minister of the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, committed suicide under mysterious circumstances?~~

Reviewed: Nicole Moerig

5x expanded by Dharmadhyaksha (talk). Self-nominated at 11:31, 10 August 2016 (UTC).

~~User_talk:Dharmadhyaksha#ITN_recognition_for_Kalikho_Pul. "Articles that have been featured on the Main Page's In the news section ... are not eligible."Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:27, 17 August 2016 (UTC)~~

@Redtigerxyz: Pul had appeared in ITN as RD. Eligibility criteria 1.e says "Articles linked at ITN or OTD not in bold, including the recent deaths section, are still eligible." §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:18, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

5X, 6562 KB. However, "Pul later earned a living by opening a paan shop, making bamboo fences, thatching village houses and building concrete structures. He graduated in economics and also studied law." is picked up from [1]; "Pul's mother Koranlu died when he was 13 months old and five years later his father Tailum died." is too close to "His mother, Koranlu, died when he was 13-months-old and five years later, he lost his father, Tailum, too." [2] (using Earwig's Copyvio Detector). Hook length is fine, however references use "suspected suicide", "allegedly" or "may have" suggesting probability without certainty, while the hook states it as a fact. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

@Redtigerxyz: (1) The source thenortheasttoday.com you provided seems to be post-dated. I suspect they must have copied it from WP given their blog-like website which unfortunately does not mention date of publication of this article. They also start this paragraph with "As per sources," and then quote these sentences. My source for these sentences was Indian Express article which says "In the years that followed, the teetotaler Pul ran a paan shop and worked as a petty contractor, making bamboo fences and thatched houses for villagers until trying his hand in building concrete structures and becoming the owner of four trucks. An economics graduate, he also studied law for a while. But it was not all rosy." This I suppose is sufficiently paraphrased to not fall in copyrights issue. But if you think it should be reworded again then we can do that.
(2) I have rephrased the father-mother sentence now.
(3) New hook proposed. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:55, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

ALT1 ... ~~that Kalikho Pul, former Chief Minister of the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, died under mysterious circumstances?~~

Agree on point 1. Copy paste from other news sites too.

ALT1 is ok; death section as a whole supports this. QPQ, neutral, cited article. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 11:39, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Returned from prep for new hook, per discussion at WT:DYK. Yoninah (talk) 09:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

@Redtigerxyz, Maile66, The Rambling Man, and Yoninah: Per the discussion at WT:DYK, am proposing a completely different hook now. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

ALT2 ... ~~that Kalikho Pul, former Chief Minister of the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, earned a living selling paans, making bamboo fences, thatching village houses, and working as a watchman?~~

New hook checks out.Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

ALT2 uses the same phrases as the source, with one mistake: he didn't thatch the houses, he made thatched houses.
Source: Pul ran a paan shop and worked as a petty contractor, making bamboo fences and thatched houses for villagers until trying his hand in building concrete structures
Article: Pul later earned a living by opening a paan shop, making bamboo fences, thatching village houses and building concrete structures. Yoninah (talk) 20:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

ALT3 proposed. Article changed accordingly. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

ALT3 ... ~~that Kalikho Pul, former Chief Minister of the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, earned a living selling paans, making bamboo fences and thatched houses, and working as a watchman?~~

@Yoninah: Anything else? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:00, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

The close paraphrasing problem has been resolved, but the ALT3 hook makes it sound like he was doing these things concurrent to his political career. The article states that this was how he supported himself as a student. Perhaps "earned a living" should be replaced with "made money"? Yoninah (talk) 18:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

New alts proposed. Btw, WP:DYKHOOK says "A hook is subject without notice to copy-editing as it moves to the main page. The nature of the DYK process makes it impractical to consult users over every such edit." Is that not followed? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:46, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

ALT4 ... that Kalikho Pul, former Chief Minister of the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, made money selling paans, making bamboo fences and thatched houses, and working as a watchman?
ALT5 ... that Kalikho Pul, former Chief Minister of the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, once earned a living selling paans, making bamboo fences and thatched houses, and working as a watchman?

I don't understand your question. The rule you're citing applies after the hook is already in the prep or queue sets. It's important to work out the wording during the review so no further edits will be necessary.
Since the change I suggested was minor, I'm going ahead and approving this. I added "once" to ALT5. Hook ref verified and cited inline. ALT4 or ALT5 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2016 (UTC)