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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

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Königrufen edit

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5x expanded by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:33, 22 June 2018 (UTC).

  •  Doing... review in progress... Flibirigit (talk) 03:21, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Review completed as per discussion below. Flibirigit (talk) 14:27, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Will continue review and plagiarism check tomorrow morning. Several citation concerns have been noted above below. Flibirigit (talk) 04:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Citation concerns
  1. Section > Background – List of items with an unclear source.
  2. Section > Emergence and development – Several paragraphs without a citation.
  3. Section > Transition to modern Königrufen – No citations.
  4. Section > Development of the Birds – Fourth and fifth paragraphs without a citation.
  5. Section > Austria Final – No citations. Table needs a citation.
  6. Section > Prominent players – Fourth and fifth paragraphs without a citation.
  7. Section > Literary accounts – Direct quote is cited, but should use a citation template. No citation on third paragraph.
  8. Section > Terminology – No citations.
  9. Section > Cards – First paragraph without a citation.
  10. Section > Tarocks – Only one citation in four paragraphs.
  11. Section > Suit cards – No citations.
  12. Section > Basic rules – No citations.
  13. Section > Bonuses – Only one citation in nine paragraphs and two charts.
  14. Section > Games by groups – No citations.
  15. Section > Scoring – Only one citation in four paragraphs.
  16. Section > Breaches of the rules – No citations.
  17. Section > Game scoring – Only one citation. Unclear if it applies to the whole section.
  18. Section > Less common variants – Only one citation. Needs more references.
  • @Flibirigit:, thank you. Background is now fully referenced and I am working my way through Emergence and Development. More to come... Bermicourt (talk) 08:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for making progress on this. I will be away for the weekend, and may not respond quickly. Please don't feel a need to rush. Flibirigit (talk) 14:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I have checked for plagiarism and paraphrasing issues on the Earwig tool, and found no concerns. The tool does highlight several areas that are either attributed as exact quotes, book titles, or terminology in the rules of play, none of which violate copyright. Flibirigit (talk) 14:48, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I see you have made a lot of progress on the article. I'm catching up on the review today. Flibirigit (talk) 18:40, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
No worries. Bermicourt (talk) 19:47, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I have reviewed the references again, and have three questions:

  1. I think the table in the Austria Final should include a reference to this PDF file as the source, if that's where it came from?
  2. Are you able to change "— Friedrich Torberg (1975). Die Tante Jolesch. Langen Müller. p. 217." into a citation with <ref></ref> tags? Do you have access to that book and ISBN?
  3. In the section "Scoring in the Austrian Final", I believe that Cite-29 applies to all three of the charts?

Thanks again, Flibirigit (talk) 20:08, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Flibirigit thanks.

  1. I've added that pdf (thanks for finding it) but it only lists the winners. To find the names of the runners-up and third-placed you have to click on the individual year links on the existing reference. I could add those individually to each line of the table, but for now I've included a footnote to guide readers to the individual year links if they want to view them.
  2. I'm not quite sure what format you're looking for, but I've changed it to a short reference and added the full reference, including ISBN, as a <ref></ref>. Have I got that right?
  3. Yes, that's right. I added a second cite at the bottom of the last table to try and indicate that. Is there a better way of doing this?

Anyway, thanks for all you work in reviewing this. It's a long article, but we're getting there! Bermicourt (talk) 06:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Everything looks good now to pass the review. When you have a chance, add the 2018 Austrian final results. Cheers! Flibirigit (talk) 14:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Just added the 2018 winners. Bermicourt (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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