Template:Did you know nominations/John Steele (physician)

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

John Steele (physician)

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~~... that John Steele integrated magic, astrology, and medicine as a small-town Utah doctor?~~ Source:John Steele: Medicine Man, Magician, Mormon Patriarch. Utah Historical Quarterly p.73
- ALT1:~~... that Toquerville physician John Steele was known as 'Doc' and rode around on a horse wearing a blue cape with red lining?~~ Source: [1]

Reviewed: Al-Barakah (ISIL administrative division)

Created/expanded by Skyes(BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 21:04, 14 December 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - In ALT1, aren't the commas superfluous? His name is not a parenthetical.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: A very nice article. I note that User:Skyes(BYU) has disclosed being a paid editor at BYU. Kim Post (talk) 18:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Reading the article more thoroughly, it occurs to me that there's opportunity for a humorous hook along the lines of "... that Steele judged Iron?" Kim Post (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Kim Post, I deleted the commas, and I see what you mean by the "Steel" "Iron" play on words, but I think I prefer the hooks that I presented because they are clear and portray interesting and hooky information about his career as a physician. Definitely links I would click on as a reader. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 20:11, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

I suggest rewriting ALT0 in a more folksy way:
ALT0a: ~~... that small-town Utah doctor John Steele used black magic to treat patients and also did their horoscopes?~~ Yoninah (talk) 20:15, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Very sorry about the delay. I took a break from Wikipedia for the holiday and didn't realize this nomination was still pending. I think your suggested rewrite of the hook is a great change (ALT0a). I would be happy to proceed with that one. Thank you for your patience. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 21:26, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. @Kim Post: would you mind verifying ALT0a? Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah and Skyes(BYU): I'm not sure if it's strictly accurate to say he used black magic to treat patients. The Bate article certainly describes his interest in black magic, and he thought magic and astrology were intimately connected to biology. But this comes after the discussion of herbal medicine; none of the spells she describes are for treatment, but e.g. to make burglars return stolen goods or to turn two people into enemies. (Would it still be "black" magic if you used it to heal?) The herbal element seems to have been more important as far as treatment per se is concerned. Kim Post (talk) 23:35, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@Kim Post: so would you prefer:
ALT1: ... that small-town Utah doctor John Steele used herbal medicines to treat patients and also did their horoscopes? Yoninah (talk) 23:38, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

That seems correct to me. Kim Post (talk) 23:44, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Kim Post, thank you. Yoninah (talk) 00:10, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you all, the new hook flows and more accurately represents the material in the article. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 20:23, 8 January 2019 (UTC)