Wikipedia

Template:Did you know nominations/Dance Again... the Hits

< Template:Did you know nominations
The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PumpkinSky talk 22:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Dance Again... the Hits edit

(
)

Created/expanded by Status (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

IMHO, this proposal has issues, because it promotes the interests of other individuals, companies, or groups. It sounds like the commercial annoucement of the release of a new album from the artist in question. Pdellani (talk) 11:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
How so? It's a fun fact. Her album will be released on her birthday. Also, you are supposed to notify users when you have commented on one of these. Statυs (talk) 16:01, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Sure it is fun. But it is at the same time a commercial announcement. Cheers, Pdellani (talk) 08:32, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
The hook must be: "interesting, hook fact is accurate and cited with an inline citation in the article, neutral and does not focus unduly on negative aspects of living people". Your opinion on whether or not it appears to be a "commercial announcement" has nothing to do with the guidelines of how a hook should be. It is interesting, accurate and neutral. Statυs (talk) 19:18, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Saying that the content of this hook is neutral, does not make it neutral. It should also be in conformance with the policies of Wikipedia. According to the article "What Wikipedia is not - item 2.3" - "Wikipedia is not a soapbox, a battleground, or a vehicle for propaganda, advertising and showcasing". How can a hook, which content is the announcement of the release date of an album, that is scheduled to happen in the near future, not be an advertisement? Is the album going to be distributed for free or it will be sold? If it is not going to be distributed for free, it is indeed commercial. Is is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. With this hook, Wikipedia will be advertising the release of the album. With this hook, Wikipedia will be advertising the official start of the sales of the album. It is a commercial advertisement. A hook like this, that clearly violates the content policies of Wikipedia, can not be called neutral and, therefore, has no place in the Did you know... section. Pdellani (talk) 09:18, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree that this sort of thing (a DYK coinciding with the launch of a commercial product) should not be allowed. Regardless of the particular motivations of this nomination, we should not be naive about the advertising value of a place on the front page of a top ten website. Rd232 talk 13:20, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes; I didn't understand with the user's initial vague comments. I can assure you that was not the reason, to advertise. The point was to get across the fact that she's releasing her first ever greatest hits album on her birthday. I think the new hook gives a better look, since it also states the fact that it is her first in a 14 year music career, which has been deemed to be long overdue. Cheers, Statυs (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
I believe you that your motivation is not to advertise, but as a matter of policy, we can't effectively police abuse of DYK for promotional purposes, and it's a territory ripe for exploitation. Therefore we should just not have DYKs that, intentionally or otherwise, involve the promotion of commercial products. I would add as well that DYK is about encouraging people to contribute content, and for me that's more about CSB content than for something like this (an article that would certainly be created without any DYK-type incentive). Rd232 talk 19:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Can somebody actually review this, please? Statυs (talk) 20:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Ignoring all the above...

  • New enough and long enough at the time of nomination. Do not think QPQ is technically required based on looking at talk page. (Though I would highly suggest them in the future as I feel like I've reviewed 5+ by author.) Article is neutral enough. Hook is properly formatted. Plagiarism spotcheck reveals no cause for concern. Media has fair use rationale.
  • Citation need tag needs cleaning.
  • I've read and skimmed article. Maybe just not seeing it as late at night. Where is the hooked fact found in the article? Career doesn't appear. Cannot find text that says this is the first greatest hits album either. --LauraHale (talk) 12:04, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Fact tag and pointing out where article supports hook. --LauraHale (talk) 12:04, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Fixed citation tag. Let me hunt down and add a source stating it is her first greatest hits album. Statυs (talk) 12:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Added source stating it is her first greatest hits album. Surely I wouldn't have to source the fact that she has had a 13 14 (bad math on my part) year career? 1999-present. Statυs (talk) 12:13, 7 July 2012 (UTC)



Changes made and things support what need to be supported for hook. Protip from frequent DYK reviewer: The less thinking required, the better. The hooked fact should be as explicitly stated as possible and cited very clearly. It makes it much, much easier to give the tick to go. --LauraHale (talk) 20:49, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Dance_Again..._the_Hits&oldid=1021349276"