Template:Did you know nominations/Buellia aethalea
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The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 21:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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Buellia aethalea
Buellia aethalea
- ... that Buellia aethalea (pictured), a species of fungus, is also known as the "darkened button lichen" due to the small black spots on its crusty grey surface? Source: 1, 2 3
Created by Xkalponik (talk). Self-nominated at 02:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC). Note: at the time of this nomination, DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode. All nominations made by editors with 20 or more prior nominations during this time will require two QPQs for every article nominated. Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Buellia aethalea; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article new enough and long enough, well cited with no reliability issues seen in the sourcing. However the Description section is still very close in wording to what is found at Fungi of Great Britain and Ireland, reorganization of the section and wording adjustments are recommended.--Kevmin § 18:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin and Xkalponik: For our hook I cannot see anything about it getting the nickname because of "small black spots on its crusty grey surface" cited or stated in our article. Lightburst (talk) 17:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- I see it, its the first paragraph of the description section but in more technical wording. Xkalponik are you able to massage the paragraph so it has the hook wording stated more clearly?--Kevmin § 17:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin and Lightburst:, Hi. Although there's no direct mention, but scientific names of species are often self explanatory and ephitet are bestowed based on their physical characteristics. If you look in the description section, it is mentioned that The areoles can exhibit a pale to dark grey coloration ... Separating the areoles is a narrow, black prothallus that helps delineate the edges of the thallus. Also, in pretty much all the sources that discusses the description of the fungus, mentions these facts. When dealing with species scientific names, I feel it's redundant that a source is required that mentions the blurb as is. The blurb is based on facts that are distributed throughout the sources as well as mentioned in the article. Regards. X (talk) 17:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately that takes us very close to WP:Synth territory. We actually do need to have a source that provides an etymology that supports the hook fact as being true. This same problem has been discussed several times at both WP:TOL and WP:Paleontology when "faux-nacular" name translations of taxon and binomials have been added to articles without any indication that the translation was what was intended by the describing authority.--Kevmin § 17:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) If you could state the language of the hook in the article with a citation directly following the sentence that would be acceptable. We cannot assume the facts in the hook. As it is now, we are stating this is how it got the nickname in Wikivoice, but we should cite that information if we want it in the hook. Lightburst (talk) 17:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin and Lightburst:, I get your points. I'll look for sources that specifically covers the etymology. I'm pretty tied up right now with some other works on Wikiquoute and IRL, but I'll post an update within 2 days. Regards. X (talk) 17:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin and Lightburst:, Hey hope you're doing well. I've added a citation in the article that sufficiently mentions our hook. Regards. [1]
- Unfortunately that takes us very close to WP:Synth territory. We actually do need to have a source that provides an etymology that supports the hook fact as being true. This same problem has been discussed several times at both WP:TOL and WP:Paleontology when "faux-nacular" name translations of taxon and binomials have been added to articles without any indication that the translation was what was intended by the describing authority.--Kevmin § 17:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin and Lightburst:, Hi. Although there's no direct mention, but scientific names of species are often self explanatory and ephitet are bestowed based on their physical characteristics. If you look in the description section, it is mentioned that The areoles can exhibit a pale to dark grey coloration ... Separating the areoles is a narrow, black prothallus that helps delineate the edges of the thallus. Also, in pretty much all the sources that discusses the description of the fungus, mentions these facts. When dealing with species scientific names, I feel it's redundant that a source is required that mentions the blurb as is. The blurb is based on facts that are distributed throughout the sources as well as mentioned in the article. Regards. X (talk) 17:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Great find and exactly what the situation called for. I think we are now back on track.--Kevmin § 21:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- ^ Bungartz, Frank (2004). "The Buellia aethalea-Group in the Greater Sonoran Desert Region with Reference to Similar Species in North America" (PDF). The Bryologist. 107: 443–444. doi:10.1639/0007-2745(2004)107[441:TBAITG]2.0.CO;2. Retrieved 2024-04-12 – via Internet Archive.
thallus surface matt, usually crusty and gray to pale brown ... Apothecia lecidei-ne; (0.1–)0.2–0.3(–0.5) mm in diameter; remaining immersed, not becoming sessile, predominantly in center of areoles; proper margin indistinct, reduced, inconspicious, black; disc black. These characteristic black spots, resembling tiny buttons, lend the lichen its colloquial name "darkened button lichen."