Template:Did you know nominations/Africans in Guangzhou
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Africans in Guangzhou edit
- ... that there is a community of over 20,000 recent African migrants in a concentrated area in Guangzhou, China?
Created/expanded by Colipon (talk). Self nom at 03:08, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Newness and length check out, no style issues, interesting hook, info backed by reliable source. No real format problems, (I've fixed the lack of categories). There does not appear to be any close-paraphrasing from the English sources. I am however concerned about using NetEase as a source: who publishes the opinions there, and what reliability do we assume they have? If I'm right and this is not a reliable source, then it's bringing this article down. The hook is based on it, but the "20,000" estimate can easily be attributed to the Toronto Star article, which is already one of the sources cited. Also, please be aware that you need to review an article for which one you submit, unless (I think) this is your first-ever nomination. Dahn (talk) 09:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- Note: I have reviewed Roberto Bruce. Colipon+(Talk)
- Thanks for your comments. NetEase reliability is not an issue, since their "News" site gets its content from the same news agencies as all other Chinese internet portals: Sohu, Sina, and Yahoo China. As for the article review policy, I was unaware, so I will review one today when I find the time. Colipon+(Talk) 17:12, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- If these are picked up from news agencies, then we can perhaps trace the original source. The point is: who makes these commentaries? are they professional journalists? and who publishes them? a site with a clear editorial policy, or just a site? I cannot read Chinese, so I can't actually discuss the issue in length, but from our description of NetEase, it would appear that the commentary part is just a sort free-for-all platform, attached to a commercial company specializing in online games. Dahn (talk) 17:43, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- Upon some digging, the article found on Netease is sourced from a news article by journalist Zhen Jinghui on the reputable Nanfengchuang newsmagazine, whose contents focus on society and politics - think of it as a Chinese version of the The Economist. I think this qualifies it as an RS. I have made the necessary corrections on the article itself. Colipon+(Talk) 19:20, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick response. Now, it's extraneous to the hook, but DYK requires consistent quality sourcing throughout: could you perhaps trace the original source of the other NetEase article? or, if it's just self-published commentary, remove it and info based on it? Dahn (talk) 19:41, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- I traced the other source to the Shenzhen News Network; that should be sufficient. You raise a very legitimate concern - Chinese news portals do not believe in copyright - they steal news from other agencies and networks and do not bother attributing it. It's then left to people like myself to do the digging. Good thing Google usually does the trick. Colipon+(Talk) 19:58, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
