Talk:Zootopia/Archive 1

Archive 1

How is Zootopia a sleeper hit?

It didn't seem like it had any less marketing or care put into it than any other recent Disney movie. I find it hard to believe no-one thought it would sell, especially considering the subject matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.129.126.151 (talk) 14:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Thinking the same thing. It was anticipated to be $500 million. I guess that it's on pace to double that is why, but that seems like kind of a stretch to me personally...2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:E42C:7D5E:31CA:82A0 (talk) 04:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2015

Phil Johnston is co-writing the screenplay.

SOURCE: https://d23.com/welcome-to-zootopia-at-d23-expo/

2A01:E34:EE2B:F80:A569:C43F:C85A:1B72 (talk) 22:00, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Inomyabcs (talk • contribs) 01:35, 30 August 2015‎

can someone change the "dart gun" referance to "paintball"? There are no darts. It is a paint ball, filled with the seurum, and thats why they can replace the paintball with a blueberry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.252.149.229 (talk) 14:58, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Narrator?

I notice the narrator entry has no source. Care to delete it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehh123 (talk • contribs) 06:04, 2 January 2016‎

 Already done, this seems to have already been deleted since your request. --McGeddon (talk) 13:47, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Spain gets it first

The country that will get the movie released there first is Spain, on February 12th, 2016. (http://www.sensacine.com/peliculas/pelicula-223207/)

Also, the release date in France is the 10th anymore but the 17th. (http://www.allocine.fr/film/fichefilm_gen_cfilm=223207.html) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.55.147.74 (talk) 13:31, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Peru's nationwide release date was on February 18th on 40 theatres. (http://elcomercio.pe/luces/cine/estrenos-semana-chica-danesa-zootopia-abuelo-peligro-videos-noticia-1879887) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alesoundro (talk • contribs) 19:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Title

Also known as "Zoomania" [1] --84.162.213.43 (talk) 10:27, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2016

Last paragraph in plot: Wide should be Wilde. Spelling error. 65.95.178.233 (talk) 04:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Done Datbubblegumdoe^{[talk – contribs]} 05:06, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

About the release date

The ad said it's March, 4 in China. Dy 0055 (talk) 01:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2016

Old Text: Some months later, Hopps is reinstated into the ZPD. The savaged mammals are cured. Lionheart is cleared of all charges and is reinstated as mayor where he reforms the image of Zootopia. Wilde joins the ZPD as the first fox officer and Judy’s new partner.

New Text: Some months later, Hopps is reinstated into the ZPD. The savaged mammals are cured. Mayor Lionheart remains in jail on charges of wrongful imprisonment of the now cured mammals. Wilde joins the ZPD as the first fox officer and Judy’s new partner.

Reason for change: This change is needed because during the credits Mayor Lionheart is shown enjoying the concert from a jail cell behind bars. While he was cleared of any involvement with assistant Mayor Bellweather's plans to drug predators against their will, he was still guilty of his own illegal activities (imprisonment of the drugged predators without due-process and without police and judicial oversight). LoneSnark64 (talk) 06:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  07:17, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Weekend opening

Since the weekend is up to $75 million, it should say it's the eighth highest-grossing opening weekend for an animated film (It passed the opening weekend of The Simpsons Movie). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 03:03, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Are you gonna change from ninth to eighth soon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.174.133.212 (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Did you not see the sign? Zootopia has the eighth highest-grossing opening weekend for an animated film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 22:43, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Is everybody not seeing this? Zootopia has the eighth highest-grossing opening weekend for an animated film! Please somebody edit it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 01:23, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

it got the biggest worldwide opining for an animated film — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.157.176 (talk) 19:36, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Tweets mentioned in The Independent article about the various newscasters in Zootopia

Here are archives of Twitter tweets mentioned in The Independent article about the various newscasters in Zootopia

• Brazil: https://twitter.com/RyshatsCorner/status/706628340023558144/photo/1
• USA/Japan/Australia/China: https://twitter.com/RyshatsCorner/status/706315676219146240/photo/1

WhisperToMe (talk) 05:13, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Without Disney Animated Short

No animated short film went along with Zootopia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.65.128.87 (talk) 01:37, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Puffery

In the section on cast there are a lot of unnecessary adjectives that constitute Wikipedia:Wikipuffery. Such as 'noble', 'sweet' or 'much-respected'. Even if they were included in the source, it may be in violation of a neutral point of view or copyvio. Please remove them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.73.26 (talk) 14:34, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Classification???

In the intro, Zooptopia is stated to be a "2016 American 3D computer-animated neo-noir buddy comedy-drama adventure film".

Not only is this an extremely lengthy classification, but are the terms "noir" and "buddy" accurate or even necessary? After looking into the links of these terms because I had no idea what they meant, I realized that they are used predominantly for films of the 1900s, and they would hardly apply to an animated film oriented toward children and the family. The term "Neo-noir", with the prefix "neo" meaning "new", might be a stretch, but how is "buddy" in any way related to Zootopia? The main characters are a female bunny and a male fox! Any relationships that can be classified as "buddy" are certainly not the main focus of the film.

Now I'm no movie expert, so I didn't just delete these terms right away. Someone else please look into this?

Thanks.

Bobbychan193 (talk) 15:39, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

You're right. I updated it to say just what's in the cited source. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Bobbychan193 (talk) 05:29, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Please edit intro sentence

Please change the intro sentence to reflect what the sources say. That it was renamed to Zootropolis in the UK, other parts of Europe got other or no renames. Or leave that part out. --87.148.64.27 (talk) 16:05, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Done. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 20:08, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Buddy cop film reclassification

Requesting edit to change film classification to buddy cop film. This film is clearly part of the genre just by looking up the definition and is even listed in the Buddy cop film article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.221.142.210 (talk) 12:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

You're right. Earlier when I was looking into this I didn't know that there was a subcategory of buddy films called buddy cop. I'll reclassify it. Bobbychan193 (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, don't forget about the wording in the intro too. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.221.142.210 (talk) 17:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Mayor Lionheart is still in jail at the end of the film and is not released

Remove the below statement in the Plot section. Lionheart is still imprisoned at the end of the film due to his false imprisonment of predators

"Lionheart is cleared of all charges and is reinstated as mayor"

Starkiller9687 (talk) 02:15, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  06:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Just watch the end credits, he's seen behind bars talking to inmates, that's a good sign he's still in jail! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:E42C:7D5E:31CA:82A0 (talk) 00:38, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Nick Wilde

According to Bryon Howard's Twitter, Nick's full name is Nicholas Piberius Wilde. Can that be included? Daerl (talk) 05:49, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

References

21 Jump Street reference

It should be noted that the name Judy Hopps is a reference to Judy Hoffs, a character from 21 Jump Street (TV series) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.124.185.200 (talk) 02:37, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2016

Another film called sing Big8388desa (talk) 15:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Is Mr Big a desman ?

Hello, in the article Mr Big is refered to as an arctic shrew though it doesn't look like and I don't find references about that ; on the other hand it really looks like a desman who happens to be a russian animal. Does anyone happens to have sources on this matter. Thank you.

--Lembeye (talk) 16:28, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Potential Sequel?

Shouldn't a sequel section be added to the page? There's been quite some talk about a sequel, especially with great box office numbers. - Theironminer (talk) 22:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

As awesome as that would be, what's the proof? 67.221.142.210 (talk) 02:48, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Furries

Should we mention the explosive reaction from the furry fandom to Zootopia that made this film a phenomenon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.145.161 (talk) 07:48, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

As a furry myself, I definately think we should! I actually added some content to this article earlier, about Disney having hired a viral marketing company to promote the movie to furries on social media. If you can find some sources about the enormous positive reaction within the fandom, then you should definitely add them! I'll be looking for some (reliable sources) myself later...SarrCat ∑;3 11:05, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Fix mistake under "Box Office"

The section for Reception/Box Office incorrectly quotes a Deadline article stating that this is the third Disney animated film to gross over $500m worldwide, with the others being The Lion King and Frozen. The article states it is the third consecutive film to do this, the other two being Frozen and Big Hero 6. Can someone please fix this error? cian (talk) 12:25, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for spotting that. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:39, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Request for semi-protected edit

Someone please add the missing right parenthesis on the soundtrack album title in the sidebar down at #Music! 187.38.138.210 (talk) 18:27, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Done. Also fixed a few other minor errors. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:40, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Chinese Gross

Zootopia has officially overtaken Kung Fu Panda 3 to become the highest-grossing animated film released in China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 13:32, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Bring Back Zootopia Cast

I'm very angry, bring back release date, editors and more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:185:C000:1663:C8B4:C8B:7FE:305E (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Cast Section Missing Character

I noticed that the cast section is missing the female Snow Leopard news anchor character and related information. The other news anchor is there, but not her. Can anyone fix that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:130:112:800:3070:1A:E5E0:7F8B (talk) 03:55, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I did some researching and supposedly Fabienne Rawley plays this character, however in the film she was credited simply as "additional voices" so the character may be too minor to add to the list. The other anchor character was more notable due to the localization changes. I also could not find suitable sources. Sro23 (talk) 00:40, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2016

Filmmakers Tom McCarthy and Luc Jacquet have cited it as one of their favorite films. American author Dave Eggers has stated that this is one of his favorite films. Filmmakers Tom McCarthy and Luc Jacquet have cited it as one of their favorite films. American author Dave Eggers has stated that this is one of his favorite films.

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:41, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Request discussion on a plot update

The plot reads:

"Judy is nevertheless excluded from handling the top-priority missing predator cases, and assigned to parking duty by Chief Bogo, who doubts her potential. During one of her shifts, she meets Nick Wilde and Finnick, partners in crime."

However when Judy tries to arrest Nick and Finnick, she discovers that they are not actually breaking any laws (except for tax evasion which is only discovered later).

Also the plot reads "As the pair leaves, Judy learns from Nick that he was bullied as a kit for being a fox and became a criminal". I don't recall that Nick had committed any crime other than tax evasion. Also the charge of tax evasion never made it to court, so he was never convicted. Therefore he is innocent until proven guilty and not a criminal. Although he probably is a character of a questionable nature. Would he have been allowed to become a police officer at the end if he had a criminal record?

Aniseedwolf (talk) 05:05, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2016

Please remove major spoilers from the Cast section. I am referring to the description of the Sheep being the major villain of the movie.

Thank you. Simoninaustralia (talk) 07:38, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:30, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Here is the source for the Moose: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03hh4rt

highest-grossing animated film

Zootopia is now the 12th highest-grossing animated film. Can this link be added for support? http://www.rentrak.com/section/movies_and_tv_everywhere/top_entertainment_rankings.html117.248.63.206 (talk) 03:05, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Done, using boxofficemojo sources Sro23 (talk) 07:38, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Someone needs to edit Zootopia's rank. It's the eighth highest-grossing animated film and the 39th highest-grossing film worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 02:39, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

reference to A Scanner Darkly?

look, it seems bizarre, but for those familiar with the Phillip K Dick novel, don't the blue 'Night Howler' flowers - which are revealed to be the source of the substance that is driving the animals wild - remind anyone of the blue flowers that are the source of Substance-D in Scanner Darkly?

Adambrowne666 (talk) 09:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Interesting, however another website or media outlet needs to write about this first, before Wikipedia can write about it. -- Zanimum (talk) 13:12, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

FYI: Beware of persistent sock vandal

There's a banned user who's been using multiple accounts and other such illegitimate measures to circumvent their block and vandalize the zootopia article. See [2] for the full story. Basically, a new account has been popping up every week. They tend to change the cast information and add new sections about non-existent sequels or video games about non-mammals. If you see a new user making major edits with bizarre summaries that follow a similar pattern to this, don't hesitate to revert and report. Sro23 (talk) 12:57, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2016

can we say "with a worldwide opening of $233.9 million Zootopia has Biggest worldwide opening ever for an animated film surpassing Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs $218.4 million"

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.--Cameron11598 (Converse) 06:42, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2016

Zootopia has the eighth highest-grossing opening for an animated film. Zootopia is the ninth highest-grossing animated film, now.

71.81.58.55 (talk) 00:32, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  08:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Use of "multiplier" in reference to total vs. opening gross

@Josephlalrinhlua786: No other article on Wikipedia measures a film's success by its "multiplier", so maybe it's not entirely necessary, important or useful to state that the film earned 63 times more than its opening day gross. Also, my addition of {{better source}} was because it's probably better not to cite a blog published without editorial control. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 13:21, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

In addition, why did you remove {{clarification needed}} (without adding the original text back)? It's not exactly obvious what "leggiest" means, in its use in this article (it's not one of the two senses on Wiktionary, as far as I'm aware). Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 13:25, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Fully concur with User:Jc86035 on both points. It is clear that User:Josephlalrinhlua786 has no experience with the entertainment industry whatsoever as no self-respecting resident of Southern California would describe box office grosses in terms of multipliers. (The correct way to use the term "multiplier" in the industry is with respect to "multiplier" effects from strikes or production tax incentives.) I have already reprimanded User:Josephlalrinhlua786 directly for repeatedly adding information from unreliable sources to Wikipedia but it appears that he is continuing to engage in such disruptive editing in violation of all Wikipedia policies. Unfortunately, he will probably continue to wreak further havoc across the encyclopedia until an administrator or ArbCom bans him permanently. --Coolcaesar (talk) 15:57, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Ya, no one would talk about how much I've contributed to that article in the box office section. But u would be very glad to report me or block me for adding some informations that are a little complex for readers to understand. First of all those INFORMATIONS ARE NOT INCORRECT. it is correct. And it doesn't violate any wikipedia rules of policy whatsoever. And I wrote all those informations because in 10 years or so when people read the article I want them to get a clear picture of how it really performed at the box office. I mean look at the box office section of other Pixar films like Up or Finding Nemo, they are not every properly written. Just a bunch of "it gross this much and that much". Trying my utmost effort here to do more than just write it gross this much and that much. I'm doing a lot of research and dedicating a bull of my time for this. I'm sacrificing a lot of things to be able to add informations to wikipedia. I don't like in the US or other rich countries. I live in the rural part of India where internet connections are bad and it's costly, yet I try every single day to get connected to internet not for my benefit but for the benefit of others by contributing tremendously to wiki. But then I get these type of warning and scolding that are completely unnecessary. But my spirit is not broken. I still will spend more time and money for the sake of others. That's the way I plan to do. I'm not gonna get dejected. Adding all those informations is not an easy task and only 1 in a billion would do those. And I'm sorry if I had to be one of them. Anyways u can remove those multiplier sentences if it should not be there. I'm off to editing tons of other box office sections. According to my guesstimate, 2016 will be the year to produce the most $100 million openers in North America (remember the use of the word "Domestic" is prohibited in wiki) and $1 billion overall. Have a good day y'all. Smile and be happy. All is well. --(User talk:Josephlalrinhlua786) 05:22, 21 April 2016 (IST)

@Josephlalrinhlua786: I appreciate your dedication to the project, but on the point of the "multiplier" specifically, there isn't any policy or guideline that says you should do it that way (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film § Box office), and most critics wouldn't say it that way because just saying a film earned x times its opening day gross doesn't necessarily mean it earned a lot. I'd like to note that even though other film articles might use sources written by Forbes contributors, this doesn't mean they are reliable and there's no way to determine if they're legitimate because Forbes doesn't exercise editorial control over them.

@Coolcaesar: Should Zootopia § Outside North America (especially the paragraph about China) be rewritten? It's a little confusing and jumbled in any case. Jc86035 (talk • contribs) Use {{re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 10:36, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Concur a rewrite would be a good idea, though I don't have the time or energy to do it myself right now. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:56, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Highest-grossing films

Zootopia is the 37th highest-grossing film. Someone put that information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 20:04, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Per what source? —C.Fred (talk) 01:21, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

List of highest-grossing films or Box Office Mojo's all time worldwide box office grosses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 13:26, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Is no one listening to me? Zootopia is the 37th highest-grossing film and it has the eighth highest opening weekend for an animated film not ninth. Someone put that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 12:49, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Please provide a link to a reliable source. (Wikipedia articles cannot be used as sources for other articles.) - SummerPhD^v2.0 14:27, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Try Box Office Mojo's site. The worldwide grosses tell the rankings. And the Animation genre's opening weekends tell the rankings. I would edit, but it's locked until May 29th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.174.134.211 (talk) 17:13, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Rabbit or Hare

I have heard it on some sources that Judy Hopps is supposed to be a hare rather than a rabbit and that this is why she is only referred to as a bunny in the film. Supposedly this is in Disneys official guide, but I can't find it.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 06:05, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

This is a mention of it from TV Tropes

Overlapping with Insistent Terminology, the audience may wonder why Judy is only called a "rabbit" a few times, generally opting instead for "bunny". This is because, as mentioned in supplementary materials, Judy is not a rabbit — she's a hare. This means she lives above ground (not in a burrow), she's larger than a rabbit would be, and she was born with a full fur coat, ready to go.

Under "Shown their work"--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 06:19, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Nick also calls her a "rabbit" a few times in the movie as well, the first being right before she throws the pen over the fence.2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:E059:1786:D12D:91F5 (talk) 21:46, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Someone should fix the TV tropes page because that's flat out wrong. I've read the supplementary materials in question, and they call Judy a rabbit as well. There's no mention of hares at all. Jaoakley (talk) 23:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Mayor Lionheart calls her the "first rabbit" so that means she's a rabbit. Source: https://www.facebook.com/DisneyZootopia/videos/1123915601005330/ 2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:E42C:7D5E:31CA:82A0 (talk) 15:11, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Box Office Mojo

In the box office section, someone recently changed Zootopia's rank to seventh highest grossing animated film and sixth highest grossing computer animated film. However, according to the source (from BOM), it's still listed as ninth and eighth, respectively. I get that Box Office Mojo can be really delayed sometimes, but I don't think that's good enough reason to make these changes, especially since these claims are no longer supported by the sources. We should either wait until BOM catches up before changing the rank, or find a different source that actually matches the new ranking, in my opinion. Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. Any Thoughts? Sro23 (talk) 19:37, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

The Box Office Mojo section only shows the domestic gross not the worldwide gross. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.174.135.214 (talk) 16:04, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

If you mean the BOM page linked from the article, it does indeed show worldwide gross. Go to that page and do a find on 'Worldwide'. mwalimu59 (talk) 17:11, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I meant the Animation genre only shows the domestic gross. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 22:37, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Okay, but the fact still remains that there is discrepancy between claim and source. We shouldn't be expecting people to figure this out and do the math on their own, the numbers should match. Does anyone know why doesn't BOM have an All Time Animation genre ranking, why only domestic gross? Sro23 (talk) 00:10, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Speaking of domestic grosses of animated films, Zootopia has the eighth highest-grossing opening weekend for an animated film. It says ninth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 20:47, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

There's still an ongoing problem here that hasn't been resolved. The hyperlinks link to pages that are using worldwide gross, which suggests Zootopia should be 5th and 4th highest-grossing animated and computer-animated. But the references link to boxoffice mojo, which is showing domestic gross. Either the links to worldwide gross or the box office mojo reference needs to go. Jaoakley (talk) 18:20, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Follow-up: the sentence begins with "worldwide". Box office mojo doesn't have a worldwide animated list, but the linked wikipedia list is very thoroughly referenced. My inclination is to remove the box office mojo links altogether, since the reference is unnecessary and in conflict with the wording of the sentence. Jaoakley (talk) 18:38, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

If you're referring to List of highest-grossing animated films, it's actually not all that well referenced. The only source they have for Zootopia's current rank is this:http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=disney2016.htm, which again only states the domestic gross rank for animated/computer animated genre (8 and 9 right now). Nowhere on that link will you find the film's ranking at 5 for highest grossing animated films and 4 for highest grossing animated films. The fact that Zootopia is listed as #5 for animated films and #4 for computer animated films on that article when the reference states its still at #9 and #8 might even be WP:SYNTH I guess, since someone must be adding the foreign gross to make the rank worldwide. I also don't know if it's a good idea to get rid of the BOM "animation" and "computer animation" refs and leave the claims unsourced. Like I said before, verifiability, not truth. I'm not sure what's up with BOM and why they only give a ranking for domestic gross, hopefully a better source that includes worldwide rankings will appear soon.Sro23 (talk) 19:01, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

I interpreted the BOM reference at the top as a reference to the determination for a film being animated. Each film's worldwide gross is then referenced directly. It's very easily verifiable (by cross-referencing BOM's WW listings and the animated list) that Zootopia is in fact presently the 5th highest grossing animated film worldwide. In any case, the paragraph in its current form is unacceptable. The opening of that sentence as well as the general context of the paragraph makes it clear that worldwide grosses are being considered, and in that context the stated rankings are demonstrably incorrect. By definition, it is impossible to verify something that is not true. Jaoakley (talk) 20:28, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

I've decided for the time being to correct the rankings to reflect worldwide gross. I've also removed the BOM citations since they link to domestic gross rather than worldwide gross. Until we can find a direct source, the only other solution would be to remove the reference to animated rankings altogether. This seems like overkill given that the statement of Zootopia's ranking among animated films can be verified even though we can't directly cite it at this time. I'm going to continue to look for a direct source. This is a longshot, but I've also contacted Box Office Mojo and The Numbers to see if they could include an animated filter in their WW listings. Jaoakley (talk) 05:06, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I understand why you did what you did, but WP:VNT is an actual thing. I'm not sure what the right thing to do is anymore, so I'll go ask at Talk:List of highest-grossing animated films to see what they think. Sro23 (talk) 03:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

WP:VNT describes the WP:V policy as it was written before July 2012. As I understand it, the reason for the re-writing was to clarify that believing something to be true wasn't sufficient for inclusion, rather than truth/accuracy not being of value. The key thing here is that the statement that Zootopia is the fifth-highest grossing animated film worldwide can't be directly cited but can be verified by examining the list for worldwide gross at BOM and confirming there are only four animated films above it in that list. Jaoakley (talk) 20:17, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Not vital information

Hello, Sro23. Why not? I added it exactly because it's vital. Are they children, Is Nick 70 years old? And so on. Why not? IKhitron (talk) 16:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

We can reasonably assume the character's age based on the fact that Judy is a recent graduate, and it's pretty obvious they're not 70 years old. I'm sorry, but "32 human years old fox" reads really awkward and strange. Sro23 (talk) 16:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm sure you are wrong, both in "obvious" and in "awkward and strange", but I'm just a guest in this wiki, so I pass. The article will remain with uncomplete information. Thank you. IKhitron (talk) 17:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

No, Sro23 is right. Per MOS:PLOT, "Even small details that might be clear on a word-by-word or frame-by-frame analysis – steps well beyond the normal act of reading or watching a work – should be considered original research and excluded from such articles." --McGeddon (talk) 17:26, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

As I said, I'm not going to fight on this at all. It's not the first case I fill that enwiki rules want to prevent important information from readers, in place of supplying it. WP:IAR isn't the answer to life the universe and everything, it's 42. I'll stay in my wiki. IKhitron (talk) 17:37, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Adding further: how do we know time passes in the Zootopia universe the same way it does in the real world? If you've heard the old saying "in dog years", you'll see where there's a problem. Wild rabbits and foxes live about 5-7 years in real life, so a 24-year-old Judy and a 32-year-old Nick would be remarkable specimens ... if they were real. But that would be me making an interpretation about their lifespans in our world and overlaying them into the Zootopia world when there is no evidence linking the two. We cannot interpret things such as age, especially when that information is not critical to the plot, as McGeddon pointed out. It is true that, within the plot, both characters were shaped by incidents that occurred when they were young, but knowing their exact ages isn't critical. If the producers decide to provide that information, then it might be worth including in the cast list, but still not in the plot summary. --McDoobAU93 18:32, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

That's why I said "human years". But you gave me a hope. If I'll see this information in review or film maker interview, I'll be back. IKhitron (talk) 18:40, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm all for adding information on the film as the producers provide it, but again, even if the director said TODAY what their ages are, it would still not be appropriate in the plot summary. Cast discussion? Yes. Plot? No. --McDoobAU93 18:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

If you meant you would add it then to another place in the article - no problem. I don't know the structure of enwiki articles. IKhitron (talk) 18:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Per MOS:PLOT, the plot summary for a film article should just be the key components of the story. The cast section is good for expanding details on the characters, especially how they were developed by the writers/producers of the film. Extraneous in-universe details are discouraged, unless those details have gotten media coverage for their presence in the film. --McDoobAU93 18:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Japan

Zootopia is number one in Japan again in its fourth weekend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 13:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Ranking

Zootopia is the fifth highest-grossing animated film, not the ninth highest-grossing. You must be thinking of the domestic gross. This is the worldwide gross we're talking about. Change it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 20:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

This has been changed back to reflect worldwide gross, but we're looking for a direct source for it since the Box Office Mojo citation originally provided listed domestic grosses. Jaoakley (talk) 05:13, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

4th highest-grossing animated film

The Lion King suddenly has dropped from $987 million to $968 million. That must be a reason that deadline.com says that Zootopia is the fourth highest-grossing animated film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 20:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Alleged similarities with Chaminou et le Khrompire

I have a bit of a concern with the final sentence in critical response (now copied below). I cannot find any other source that has independently reported the alleged similarities with Zootopia. There are very few English language results that are not Wikipedia, and they all link back to the original article in L'Obs. Likewise, French language results all link back to this original article in L'Obs. I also cannot find any evidence for the statement as this sentence was originally written that the publisher of Chaminou is seeking legal advice.

Even though neither the sentence as written in Wikipedia nor the original French article make an explicit accusation of plagiarism, a statement that there are alleged similarities can be understood to imply plagiarism. Given the lack of other sources (or any legal action being taken by the publisher), does this sentence merit inclusion based on WP:WEIGHT? Jaoakley (talk) 07:39, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Follow-up: As far as I can tell, there are no other independent observations of the alleged similarity that have been published by a reputable source. In fact, the only other mention I could find in English was a remark in the TV tropes forums. In other languages (mainly French), the article in L'Obs has been re-published or commented on (in publicly searchable forums/facebook threads) only a small handful of times (<15). Unless these alleged similarites are more widely reported on, or if there's some kind of follow-up such as an announcement of legal action, I don't think this merits inclusion in Wikipedia. Jaoakley (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I've removed the sentence from the main page but copied it here:

"An article published by French magazine L'Obs pointed out some similarities between the setting and plot of Zootopia and those of a 1964 graphic novel by Belgium's Raymond Macherot (1924-2008) titled Chaminou et le Khrompire."

Reference: "Zootopie", le dernier Disney, a-t-il pompé une vieille BD parue dans "Spirou"?

Jaoakley (talk) 00:44, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Japan isn't the last market!

Japan is listed as last market but Zootopia still has Turkey left to play June 10! (http://www.imdb.com/calendar/?region=tr&ref_=ttrel_rel_68) Also deadline has now updated this information!

Sequel, TV series or The Future of Zootopia

There's been rumors and news about a sequel and a TV series for Zootopia from different sites. Someone bring a link to it and add the sequel section for the page.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/02/zootopia-disney-sequel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 19:31, 4 June 2016‎ (UTC)

Top 25 highest-grossing films

Zootopia has passed The Dark Knight and is now the 25th highest-grossing film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 16:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Zootopia passed The Hobbit and is now the 24th highest-grossing film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks a lot. --Mauro Lanari (talk) 20:16, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

More information on the comics ?

We have two lines about a Japanese comic, linking to a twitter source with a picture of a comic in Chinese.

There is a surprising lack of information about the whole subject, and there is definitely a mistake somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.12.29.114 (talk) 00:24, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I removed the part about the comic since Rich Moore has said it is fan made. [3] Thunderbrand (talk) 23:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)